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04-27-2009 01:16 AM  9 years agoPost 1
AltecLansing

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North Carolina

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I currently have realflight and aerofly deluxe. I like the realflight, but find the physics aren't as real as they could be. I do like the lessons on it. I liked aerofly, but I wanted something to do multiplay with. Which brings my other gripe about real flight. I had to go through an ordeal to get 4.5 to let me do multiplay. For some, it works fine, for me, I had to open ports, some of which had to be opened twice to make it even let me get into games, but its still not perfect.

What do you guys think of the sims that you have used? How are the physics? Do they come with tutorials? Easy to install? Work without problems? If you had to buy a sim again, which would you buy?

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04-27-2009 01:22 AM  9 years agoPost 2
Boost_Junkiee

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Plano, TX USA

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I learned how to fly on Realflight 4.0 and 4.5. There is a slight adjustment to the real thing but I was able to fly with no major damages so far. I feel the realflight did what it was supposed to do. I would say i at least fly with the sim 15-20 minutes a day and it is a good warm up before slapping the sticks for real.


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04-27-2009 02:11 AM  9 years agoPost 3
LONEWOLF2440

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I like the phoenix ya know it must work good cause it taught me 3d

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04-27-2009 02:19 AM  9 years agoPost 4
duceduc

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Saitama-Ken, Japan

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My first sim is RF3.5 and I found nothing wrong with it. It serves the purpose for me. When the radio malfunctioned, I sent it in not knowing if Hobby Service will repair it free of charge So I bought another sim. RF G4.5. A couple of weeks later Hobby Service shipped me a brand new G3.5. Now I have two.

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04-27-2009 02:23 AM  9 years agoPost 5
BearNurse

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Fort Worth Texas USA

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well i had someone give me realflight g2 lite and then bought g3 from a friend. i really like it a lot. seems great to me... i have also flown clearview( it was ok) helisim. ok but i really like realflight so far.

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04-27-2009 02:26 AM  9 years agoPost 6
Flying Brian

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St. Clairsville, Ohio

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I learned to fly on my own, by myself(with a bit of help here). Im still flying, and excelling to.

I own a RCFS 2001 (Dave Brown Products)

Now this sim is kinda cool, but the only help it is giving me is, different stix movments. It is extremly time sensitive to set up like a real rc heli, but it can be done(not be me though, as I only use it for stix movments).

If I was to buy, I would buy somthing that was global, and live transmit, so I could continue to grace all of my favortie rr members with my presence.

"I just don't Listen" "

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04-27-2009 02:29 AM  9 years agoPost 7
Leon Brodie

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Brighton, Colorado - USA

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+1 Phoenix I really like this sim. It was fairly inexpensive, the K3D model is pretty close, the T700 and the Vibes are nice. I've owned a few other sims and what I can tell you is that they can all teach you something. I would also like to point out that a program that may seem to be lousy may only require a better computer set up to make a HUGE difference. I have my sim up on 4 different compute and they are not created equally. The sim is a really nice thing to let your young relatives fly when they are begging for your favorite 50....

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04-27-2009 02:36 AM  9 years agoPost 8
holzback

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noblesville IN United States

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if you can did a half a$$ piro flip on the sim, dont plan on being able to do it worth crap at the field, dont even plan on doing it close to half a$$. if you can do a really nice piro flip on the sim, close to the ground and in one spot, then you will have a base for the real thing. if you can do them nearly perfect on the sim, when you go to the field, it will still be harder, but you will have gained the ability to make adjustments and eventually you will do them great at the field, this is from experiance! the sim will not teach you everything, but it will teach you a lot. the sim will teach you how to manipulate that heli during a piro flip. that is pretty much how the chaos is learned, you learn how to manipulate the piro flip so well that you can flip it on different axis; this is something that can be learned on the sim. if you dont do countless piro flips you will never learn how to do the chaos, after doing huge amounts of piro flips you see how to make them chaos. so, if you have to get on here and ask how to do a chaos, or what it is, keep doing piro flips to you see it for yourself.

i remember reading about one of the sponsored guys who has a flight school, maybe pete niotis???, and he said that they have sims at the school and the recomend them.

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04-27-2009 03:37 AM  9 years agoPost 9
Spitfire1

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Perth Australia

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I had Realflight 3.5 for a while, and I just bought Pheonix a month ago.
Im at the stage where I can do basic things, sideways flips, back and forward flips, loops rolls and fff, but the problem im finding is the helis on the sim dont bogg down and are just too precise (easy if you like).
I nearly put my heli into the ground the other day trying to fly backwards inverted and then fip the tail up to upright, something I can do on the sim blindfolded.
Maybe it might be a useful tool for more advanced things manouvers that Im not doing yet.
After nearly loseing my heli a couple of times now trying something that seemed easy on the sim, Im wondering what is the point of it.

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04-27-2009 03:44 AM  9 years agoPost 10
trackemdown

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Central ,VA

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I give my vote to realflight 4.5. It took a little doing to get it to work properly, but it works fine now. I'm a little leary of trying some things for real verses the simulator. On the sim, I just hit the reset button and I'm up and flying again.

Realflight 4.5 on a computor with 2 gig of ram and 2 processors is fantastic once it's running right. Amy sim requires a lot of resources and if you run them on machines that are slow, with little ram, you'll be disappointed.

My .02 worth

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04-27-2009 03:51 AM  9 years agoPost 11
tucfaz

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Singapore

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The sim can be configured to as close to the real feel to the actual model. I use realflight 3.5 where I constantly change head speed, main and cyclic pitch, piro rate etc for the same maneuver I'm practicing..

For sure, lot's of sim time is required before attempting anything on the real thing..while only thing that can't be simulated are fear

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04-27-2009 04:07 AM  9 years agoPost 12
Spitfire1

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Perth Australia

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In my experience a dumb thumb leads to bogging the heli down which leads to a crash, on the sim you cant bog the heli at all how ever much you try, collective management is simply not a requirement where with a real heli its everything.
And then there is the fear factor, its easy to walk along a white line on the ground, but if that same white line is 100ft up in the air with nothing either side..

I am going to keep still going to keep useing my sim since it cost me so much money to purchase..

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04-27-2009 04:28 AM  9 years agoPost 13
holzback

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noblesville IN United States

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all you have to do is change the size of the engine, put the os 60 on the dominion 90

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04-27-2009 04:29 AM  9 years agoPost 14
holzback

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noblesville IN United States

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you need to know how to completely utilize the sim

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04-27-2009 04:46 AM  9 years agoPost 15
Melon

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California

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Out of the box phoenix is better.
With RF you need to tweak models alot to get them even remotely close.
I've been flying with realflight ever since 3.0 and it's helped me become a very accomplished pilot.
What heli are you flying? The stock models are something to stay away from.

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04-27-2009 05:30 AM  9 years agoPost 16
tucfaz

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You can bog the heli in the SIM.. Just need some tweaking..

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04-27-2009 06:58 AM  9 years agoPost 17
Spitfire1

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Perth Australia

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Ive been flying the Trex 600e 3d on pheonix. as thats what heli I own.

Its made me start wondering if my servos are not up to the job now im doing more stationary flips, im useing Hitec 5475 hb digitals.

I have never flown with anything better than them servos, but one thing for sure is it feels a lot different to the sim, it feels like theres to much expo on my real heli, but if I turn the expo off completely it becomes even harder to fly, also I always need to hold alot of back elevator inverted, but even a couple of clicks on the trim will make me have to hold forward elevator.

I think also the blades slowing down(bogging) after hard flips is makeing my heli harder to controll in the moment after the manouver which is all so important.

Edit(tried to make it shorter to read)..

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04-27-2009 07:18 AM  9 years agoPost 18
Spitfire1

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Perth Australia

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Just in response to the post title "the sim debate"
There dont seem to be any debate from what I can tell, it seems Im the only one on these forums that seems to think there not the same, which leads me to thinking my servos or something else is not the way it should be on my heli.

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04-27-2009 01:01 PM  9 years agoPost 19
w.pasman

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Netherlands

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What do you guys think of the sims that you have used? How are the physics? Do they come with tutorials? Easy to install? Work without problems? If you had to buy a sim again, which would you buy?
1. TrueFlite (used it up to 2002). Worked good for hover and F3C figures but at some point I wanted better graphics.

2. Reflex. Possible to tune it and if you do that properly it works great. Tuning to match the real machine is difficult and some things I still can not get 100%. For instance the sensitivity to wind gusts, or maybe the wind gusts themselves are different from what I see on my field. I also miss the blade noises. Physics seem pretty good to me. There are a few training modes and tutorials but I never bothered with them so no idea if and how they work. Every figure that I trained on Reflex I could do immediately on the real machine, but the wind corrections and some details are (slightly) off and need re-training on the real machine.
Easy to install. Work mostly without problems, only sometimes it seems I do not get sufficient refresh rate and the thing stutters for a moment. Also I would like to get more control on the camera (I'm not aware of a sim that can do what I want though). If I had to buy again Reflex would be on my list but I would check out the more recent onces like Phoenix too.

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04-27-2009 01:05 PM  9 years agoPost 20
Joe90

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Quebec, Canada

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Reflex
I have tried Real Flight and Reflex, physics are MUCH better in Reflex but like every simulator you HAVE to tweak parameters to mimick your owm heli. Especially the rotor inertia for autorotations and engine power for tic-tocs to learn collective management

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