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04-24-2009 01:47 PM  9 years agoPost 21
rerazor

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Didn't want to get into a debate, but to be fair, I did make a statement regarding AF and other mounts in comparison.

You obviously forgot that your Mini pro does NOT allow CG adjustments. Also, the Pro 1 requires the gimbal to be moved forward without getting the pool noodles in the images, thus moving the CG and rotating axis causing the dreaded wobble during rotation.

I see you might be referring to the new spherical mount from AF. If that is the case how am I suppose to use my two existing AF mounts for years to come if they don't support panos?

I will have to measure the exact width of the VR360 compared to my other AF mounts but I believe it to be very close.

Besides that, thanks for chiming in with accurate information.

Robert

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04-24-2009 01:51 PM  9 years agoPost 22
rerazor

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Omg, John, will you please remove that video link. That is a prime example of what we don't want people to see. That is a horrible example and a black eye on our industry. Very unprofessional.

Seriously, all BS aside, please remove that link from this post.

Robert

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04-24-2009 01:57 PM  9 years agoPost 23
Griffo

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Omg, John, will you please remove that video link. That is a prime example of what we don't want people to see. That is a horrible example and a black eye on our industry. Very unprofessional
Couldn't agree more. A classic case of wrong tool for the job.

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04-24-2009 02:00 PM  9 years agoPost 24
rerazor

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I can already tell another post on RR is going to turn into a "bitch fest".

I should have never mentioned my real world experience and comparison with other mounts.

Robert

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04-24-2009 02:28 PM  9 years agoPost 25
AirFoil Aerial Systems

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Mini pro does NOT allow CG adjustments
That mount was designed to be used for still shots with a 600 heli. Basically a easy way to get started into this. The Pro1 mount will shoot pano's all day with no problems seeing the skids.

The difference between the PS1 and the AF1lite

Width PS1 20" wide. AF 17 1/2"
Height PS1 17 3/4" Not counting dampening side plates AF 10 3/4" This is a big deal.
Weight PS1 2.4lbs AF 2.6lbs
These may have changed on the PS1 since it's just DJ now and not Gaui.

No animals or people have ever been injured in over 12 years of doing this.

End result.
Inside Spherical
I should have never mentioned my real world experience and comparison with other mounts
You just need to compare apples to apples. I just posted a fair comparison to dispute incorrect statements you had made. Not a bitch fest.

John

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04-24-2009 02:47 PM  9 years agoPost 26
rerazor

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Ah, I know you are suing DJ and all because of a previous "bitch fest" but Gaui is still running PS1. I'm not getting involved in your lawsuit fetishes, I don't care about the drama.

The Pro 1 will move the CG for shooting panos, thus the off balance wobble. The noodles get in the way and plus you have to make your own pano gimbal because it is not provided. Apples to apple. Mount your camera (for panos) with the gimbal in the center and shoot a pic, post it and tell me what you see.

I have to be fair and go measure my mounts because I can't verify them sitting behind this keyboard.

John, I don't have a problem with you personally. I do think your sales pitch and claims are very thick but that is my personal opinion.

Your tactic of posting the video link and end result I'm sorry is showing very poor judgment. Why are you trying to show off something that nobody in the industry would recommend?

Okay, not a bitch fest but what a war of wit......Its getting so old here at RR. That is why all the good guys have left or stopped posting. Huh, maybe I need to look in the mirror.

Robert

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04-24-2009 02:53 PM  9 years agoPost 27
Empire Hobby 2

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Good News....the final production mounts have left the Gaui factory today. Gaui asked me to thank the numerous enthusiasts, supporters and DJ for their extensive patience, input and enthusiasm! It takes a lot of work to "get it right" and we are finally there.

The VR360s will be received, inspected, repackaged and preorders will be shipped first. Watch for upcoming seminars and demos at the 2009 IRCHA Jamboree and please come join us for the GAUI poker tournament at IRCHA, the president from Gaui will be on hand so make sure to stop by and say hello.

Thanks again to everyone and we hope to see you in Muncie!

Jack

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04-25-2009 06:56 PM  9 years agoPost 28
iflybyu77

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There was some question as to the height differences of the VR 360 and the AF mounts, and I thought I'd post some pics for comparison. The mount you see on the left is a Mini Pro that I converted with a "L" bracket. The heli is a Logo 600. The total height difference is about 3/4" with the VR being a touch higher. The LG is 18.5" wide on the VR360 vs about 14" with the Mini Pro.

I think the images seen before of the VR360 by itself were deceiving, and the width between skids makes it look much bigger than it is. I mounted it up last night but have not flown it due to 25mph sustained winds, with gusts to 35mph.

An important note is how much higher the camera is from the ground now - much closer to the airframe now. This means the CG isn't so high (think pendulum effect) and the camera is less likely to get banged up on uneven ground.

Apologies for the BB Storm pic. Camera(s) on charge.

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04-25-2009 07:07 PM  9 years agoPost 29
iflybyu77

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Here are a few more pics.

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04-25-2009 09:21 PM  9 years agoPost 30
rerazor

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Nice pics. I have to take one of a side by side comparison of the Mini Pro 1 with the $200 GP1 landing gear upgrade that I got raped on. Its actually, wider and taller.

At least I won't have people asking me anymore if I made that myself at Home Depot. True story, I can't believe how many people have asked me that. It use to bother me but after awhile I can see how it looks like simple Alum. tubing hand bent.

Of course, they also ask if they can fly the heli. LOL!! Maybe with the DJI now I might just hand them the TX and say "sure".

Robert

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04-25-2009 09:31 PM  9 years agoPost 31
rerazor

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Oh, another nice feature of the VR360 is you can adjust the CG of the camera mount to right under the mainshaft of the heli. You loose that ability with the bungee cord method.

Robert

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04-25-2009 09:40 PM  9 years agoPost 32
iflybyu77

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Anyone that knows anything about the craft of ground level spherical panoramas knows that the keeping the nodal point exactly at the point of rotation prevents parallax errors. My setup has the nodal point almost exactly on heli's main shaft AND the mounts rotation point. Of course at 100 feet it doesn't matter a huge amount if you are perfect with the nodal point, but it sure doesn't hurt to be able to have it perfect from the get go. I wasn't able to do this before with the previous system.

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04-26-2009 02:39 AM  9 years agoPost 33
BigguyOz

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Note to ignorant people...

"Dampening" means wetting something, while
"Damping" usually means reducing the tendency to oscillate

So to Airfoil mount come already wet?

Tony Stott

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04-26-2009 03:33 AM  9 years agoPost 34
Smithprod

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So to Airfoil mount come already wet?
So you're teaching proper english? Nice...

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04-26-2009 08:13 AM  9 years agoPost 35
BigguyOz

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Thank you. The way I see it is that we can float along in a sea of ignorance, or someone can speak up and get rid of a very common mistake.

Tony Stott

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04-26-2009 06:45 PM  9 years agoPost 36
CKY

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Better to be right than happy??

Ignorance can be bliss.

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04-26-2009 06:56 PM  9 years agoPost 37
BigguyOz

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Using damping instead of dampening makes me happy.

Tony Stott

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