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04-22-2009 06:05 PM  9 years agoPost 1
QuantumPSI

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Atlanta, GA

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So, I still haven't been able to get in some serious stick time on my machines for various reasons. I've been putting in A LOT of time on the sim and getting pretty damned good. I'm on the brink and breaking into pirouetting maneuvers (just gotta master flying sideways and I'll be ready). But the truth of the matter is, I haven't flown my machines in so long, that I don't even know where the line is of what I can do in reality vs. the sim. I've improved quite a bit on the sim but I really don't know what level I'm truly at on the real thing anymore. So the question is, do I just keep goofing off on the sim and don't push forward until I get stick time and translate what I know from the sim, or should I just keep pressing forward and learning new more difficult maneuvers? I'm curious to know what people will say to this.

...now where was I, dh/dt = BS-dx/dt
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04-22-2009 06:10 PM  9 years agoPost 2
Flying Brian

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The way I understand it is, the Simulator makes you progress faster, and transition completly over from your computer...

I like the real thing myself....

"I just don't Listen" "

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04-22-2009 06:12 PM  9 years agoPost 3
T-Rex-Flyer

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What do you wan't to do?

If the wings are traveling faster than the fuselage, it's probably a helicopter.

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04-22-2009 06:22 PM  9 years agoPost 4
Nashville

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I've been stuck like that before. I don't think the sim time can hurt at all but there is nothing like real stick time. I never improve unless it's burning fuel. But that's just me.

I was Spektrum when Spektrum wasn't cool

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04-22-2009 06:48 PM  9 years agoPost 5
mlucia

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Essex Jct., Vermont

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I never improve unless it's burning fuel. But that's just me.
While this is true for myself as well if it were not for the sim I would have not gotten as comfy with things as I have. Granted it is not quite the same going from the sim to real flying I feel most things can be translated almost immediately within a few flights.

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04-22-2009 06:51 PM  9 years agoPost 6
rotormonkey

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Ottawa, ON - Canada

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I'm the same way.. I'm way further ahead in the sim than I am in RL. Still working on getting comfy with the basics in real life, but I can piroflip like nobody's business in the sim.

After doing it for long enough in the sim, I found once I tried it in real life, it certainly wasn't pretty, but I never dorked it trying in real life.

I'm still keeping it high doing piroflips, and they don't look awesome, but I'm doing 'em. For me it's fun to get away from doing low inverted stuff (because I'm not terribly comfy doing it), and go tear up the sky at a hundred feet or so for a little while.

I guess what I'm trying to say is - just keep progressing in the simulator, it won't hurt. If you're putting in the sim time anyway. If you're just doing the same old crap that you already know in the sim, then you'll be getting little out of it.

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04-22-2009 07:01 PM  9 years agoPost 7
VooDooX

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San Francisco Bay Area CA, US (San Mateo)

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The way I understand it is, the Simulator makes you progress faster, and transition completly over from your computer...
comeing from somone who wont buy a sim to save his life!

and for the OP sim is mostly like real life but in real life theres the pucker factor and this factor affects your flying alot

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04-22-2009 07:32 PM  9 years agoPost 8
LaurenceGough

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Sim can only help you so far. I'm a big fan of them but none of them feel the same as real flying, they really don't.

Also on the sim, I just can't help but feel bored if I sit there practising hovering/piro hovering or other plain manoeuvres. Practising hovering or piro hovers etc in real life is great fun. They used to be fun to me but after a while they just don't have the same fun factor on the sim.

I still wouldn't go without a sim, as it's really useful. You can't use the sim enough really, just don't expect to get better from just sim flying. You get to a point in real life where you're scared to try anything new, you just have to go out there and do it to progress.

To put it simply you have to go out and burn some packs/fuel as well as spending time on the sim.

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04-22-2009 07:43 PM  9 years agoPost 9
darkfa8

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Brick, NJ - USA

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I'm sort of in the same rut. The weather has been crap, my model has been down for repairs, all I can do is putz around on the sim until I'm tired.

I work on orientation, circuits and some easy 3D stuff on the sim. However, a few weeks ago when I did finally get out to fly the real model there were some glaring differences.

When I tried to do some elevator tic-tocs, unlike the sim the model's recovery time was much longer and I wasn't able to do snappy tic-tocs. Granted, I was still tuning the model, but this points out the fact that the model is going to react to your sim-trained inputs much differently and you'll need to compensate and/or tune accordingly.

Also, I found it a bit easier to practice circuits in real life since the depth perception is easier compaired to flying a simulated model on a flat screen.

Using the sim to get the gist down of manuevers is great. It'll certainly expedite your progress when it comes time to put it to the real model. You'll just have to expect that the real model is going to fly a bit differently and adjust accordingly.

- Dan Goldstein
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04-22-2009 09:00 PM  9 years agoPost 10
Big Edge

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Oldsmar, FL USA

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If you don't have time to fly your birds keep at the Sim.

When your ready to go live transition into your new moves slowly..

I'm feeling you bro, need to get out myself.

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04-22-2009 09:26 PM  9 years agoPost 11
chopper_crazy

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Delphos, Ohio

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I would stay at the sim as long as you can. You will notice the transition in real life much sooner than you expect.

It's a complex, costly, glow powered anti-gravity machine!

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04-22-2009 09:32 PM  9 years agoPost 12
holzback

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noblesville IN United States

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i saw a dude from germany fly at xfc in 07 and he had only been at it for a year and 1/2, i bet he learned that fast on the sim. i have the g3, and you can change a lot on the heli. try to make it feel like yours when flying. an example, the dominion 90 has loads of power, so take off the os 90 and put a 60 or 70 on it. change the pitch or blade sizes. try every heli and combo you can and i bet something will be close. get creative and find things to change to get the full use out of the sim. the sim is not for real, but it will teach you where you need to have the stick to keep the heli in the air. once you learn where to put the stick, then it is translating the manuver to reality. once you can use the sim and fly a lot, it gets easier to translate the manuvers because you get more used to what it takes to get the heli to do what you want from the sim.

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04-22-2009 09:46 PM  9 years agoPost 13
cub2000

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Massachusetts

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My head hurts after half an hour flying on the sim on a laptop hooked up to a 42". For me, when I fly the sim, I think of what I want to do at the field. I don't train on the sim so I can get better on the sim. I train on the sim so I can get better at the field

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04-22-2009 09:56 PM  9 years agoPost 14
jester4

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Brampton, Ontario

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I don't like doing too much on the sim that I would not try in real life, I see no point in that IMO. If I master something on the sim, and then can do it all day at the field, then I move on to something else.....

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04-22-2009 10:33 PM  9 years agoPost 15
bopshi

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greenport ny

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sim/real time
The sim is great to teach which way to move the stick. It is also much more forgiving than the real thing. It sure beats doing nothing on a rainy ****ty day. Just dont get over confident at the field after too much sim. Dave Mann

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04-22-2009 10:35 PM  9 years agoPost 16
JAGNZ

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The SIM for me is all about muscle memory, so no, IMHO you can't spend 'too much' time on the SIM - there's no such thing.


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04-22-2009 10:45 PM  9 years agoPost 17
ehousetrex

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Wenonah, NJ

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Simming is good and bad..
I believe when your starting out in this hobby it is a great idea to sim first before doing the real thing. I watched one of my closet friends take his sim time and translate it into some great flying. It seems his secret is practice something he's trying to do for a couple of weeks and break out parts of it during a couple of real flight sessions. I was around Benny Chi one day and he said as we watched Justin flying, he's been on the sim to much. I just looked at him. But I understood it to mean that putting in that much sim time was affecting his timing. But you are the author of what you accomplish and no matter what you do your flight progression is in your hands. But the true key is stick time, stick time, stick time.

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04-22-2009 11:07 PM  9 years agoPost 18
JetFire

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The Golden STATE

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Keep pressing on the SIM. Flying on the SIM is better than not flying at all. Also, what you learn on the SIM is by no means a replacement of sticktime at the field but it will help allot with orientation and bailout becomes second nature.


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04-22-2009 11:56 PM  9 years agoPost 19
LONEWOLF2440

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i say go for it and fly

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04-23-2009 12:26 AM  9 years agoPost 20
Flying Brian

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comeing from somone who wont buy a sim to save his life!
If you read my post correctly, I stated, "It's my understanding". Meaning, That is how I understand it from the Professional Simulator Pilots.

Coming, not comeing....

"I just don't Listen" "

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