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04-21-2009 10:31 PM  9 years agoPost 1
Kiwi

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How much difference between 75amps esc/600L motor and 100amps esc/ 650L combos are?

A friend of me is selling a low used 600e cf but want to know if a new esp kit has much more performance, I have 6 years flying sport style(rolls,flips,loops,inverted etc) no hard 3d and would like a performance similar to my Trex 600n and R50 heli using 6s 5000mah
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How much diff between 600e cf and the 600esp newest version??

Thanks in advance for your advise??

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04-21-2009 11:18 PM  9 years agoPost 2
X30pilot

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Kiwi

I have been flying a 600E CF for two years now. I started with the 600L and then the 600XL. Last fall I installed the 650L with the 100amp speed control. With the 650L you get a nice increase in head speed with very little bogging. The efficiency of this combination seems to be better as it offers more useable power per watt consumed than the 600XL. The 100 amp speed control runs cool and I am putting less than 4.0 amps back into my 5.0 amp batteries after a 51/2 minute flight. The only issue I have with the 650L is that it runs very hot and requires a cool down period between flights. If I were to choose a motor, I would go with the Scorpion.

X30

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04-22-2009 12:19 AM  9 years agoPost 3
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I agree; a Scorpion is much better all around. More power, higher efficiency, runs cooler, and will probably last a lot longer. One good thing about Scorpion that seldom gets discussed is that they are designed so you can get spare parts and do the maintenance yourself. Replacing bearings and shafts is not that hard and you can easily get the parts.

For 6s a Scorpion HK4025-1100 and CC Phoenix ESC works very well. If you want more power than the nitro guys go with an 8s LiPo, Scorpion HK4025-890, and a CC HV85 ESC. The -890 can also used with a 6s LiPo so you won’t have to purchase a new motor when you decide to upgrade to 8s.

I think that every T600 owner’s goal should be to plan on upgrading to 8s some day and don’t spend any more money on 6s motors and ESC’s.

... BTS

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04-22-2009 12:56 AM  9 years agoPost 4
snjbird

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Here are two videos, first a Trex 600CF with the 600XL 1700KV second the same heli upgraded to the scorpion 1100KV, the scorpion should be pretty close to the ESP it may have a little edge because it has a CC85HV and is running in governor mode... Both videos are shot with Outrage 5000 6S packs

Watch at YouTube

Watch at YouTube

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04-22-2009 05:36 AM  9 years agoPost 5
Kiwi

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Stock 600spe vs stock 600e cf much better???

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04-22-2009 06:34 AM  9 years agoPost 6
Spitfire1

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I havent seen an esp fly compared to a CF, but my guess theres not much difference.

In the two vids above one has a scorpion 1100kv(similar to an esp 650l) and the other a 600xl, I think allthough there is definately a difference between the two vids, is it realy all that much difference?, Im not sure its hard to pick it.

I have just put the 1100 kv scorion in my 600e and everyone I fly with keeps commenting on how much more power my heli has compared to there ones with xl motors, to be honest I cant really tell any difference from when I had the 1750kv xl motor. (it does stay alot cooler though).

Im not saying the ESP is not more powerful, but how much Im not sure, as far as the 100 amp esc, thats not going to effect performance, just less chance of it going up in smoke than the 75.

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04-22-2009 06:27 PM  9 years agoPost 7
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I've flown both 75A/600XL (on 11T) from a CF and the 100A/650L (on 15T) from an ESP. Not much difference in power or efficiency. The 650L comes down a lot hotter. The 100A did the meltdown thing in my ESP after about 60 flights, so I have to disagree with your odds spitfire. I put the 75A/600XL in it for fear of running the 650L with the 75A. I've got a CC85HV ready to go, I'm just waiting for something to fail before installing it with the 650L.

Has anybody tried the Tonic-Z motors available from flyhelirus? I see they have a fan in them and that sounds very appealing living in the desert. It's not even the end of April and I'm already flying in 90-degree temps. My stuff is coming down hot.

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04-23-2009 01:11 AM  9 years agoPost 8
snjbird

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Heli on, install that CC it is sooo worth the effort, don't wait, put it in right away. I have the Castle link, it made programming easy and fun, governor mode is the best feature. I was so happy with it, I bought another for my 250, and I'm thinking about adding one to my 500!

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04-23-2009 03:43 AM  9 years agoPost 9
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Heli-on

I had the Tonic-X Z-30A-1100 on my 600 and loved it. Good power very efficient and cool to the touch on landing. I thought I had found the perfect motor. Unfortunately the Zs have a very weak forward end bell and I broke 2 of these in flight over the course of the summer last year. If they would improve the forward end bell, these motors would be great.

X30

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04-23-2009 03:46 AM  9 years agoPost 10
snjbird

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Heli-on

I had the Tonic-X Z-30A-1100 on my 600 and loved it. Good power very efficient and cool to the touch on landing. I thought I had found the perfect motor. Unfortunately the Zs have a very weak forward end bell and I broke 2 of these in flight over the course of the summer last year. If they would improve the forward end bell, these motors would be great.

X30
That is the second time I have heard that, in as many days...

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04-23-2009 04:38 AM  9 years agoPost 11
Spitfire1

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snjbird

I have only started trying 3d stuff last few months.
With bogging, (Im haveing trouble thinking how how to explain.)

If I do a back flip it sounds like my helis bogging, im just wondering if its normal and I should just keep on pushing.

aarggh screw it its impossible to explain, Im pretty sure it is bogging, after one backflip I just dont feel theres enough left in the tank for anything else, It flips sideways maybe twice in a row before i get the same sinking feeling, I was just wondering if maybe its just me and I should just push it harder while its in that kind of bogged down state if that makes any sense.

I think a trex 500 on 6s may be the way to go.

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04-23-2009 11:00 AM  9 years agoPost 12
snjbird

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Spitfire,

I would guess it is a combination of weak packs and unsure collective input. I practice on the sim all the time, and it is still not the same as getting out there and giving it a try! In the video I did a series of climbing front flips, and if I had better skills the machine can do stationary flips one right after the other, I just can't make it, but my friend Bert Kammerer can! So keep flying, if you can afford it try the Outrage 5000s they are the best I have tried yet! When I save the coin, I'm going to get a couple of the Outrage 4200 8S packs, and I'll post my first impressions of HV!

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04-24-2009 03:18 AM  9 years agoPost 13
Spitfire1

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This is interesting, so your saying that yours also boggs on just 1 stationary flip??

I know people talk about good collective management, but I cant see how my collective management can be any better, like most people I been pumping out flips on the sim til my eyes hurt. when Im doing them with my 600 its so routine its in slow motion.

I used to own a Hdx 500 running 4s lipos for a while(not what I would call a powerful machine), when I back fliped with that heli I could apply full collective while the heli was tail down no prob.

With my Trex 600 I need to keep as close to zero the whole flip in order not to bog it, hope a new Outrage pack makes it pick up a bit.

(all my packs are 6 months to a year old.)

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04-24-2009 05:17 AM  9 years agoPost 14
Spitfire1

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I have just been for a fly, and on thinking I guess its really not too bad on power considering the age of my packs, I can flip, pause inverted, flip an so on throughout most of the pack. It backflips OK, I think the trick is knowing how long to pause inbetween manouvers(unlike the sim).

I might stop flying every day, my heli allways feels better when ive been away from it for a few days.

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04-24-2009 11:34 AM  9 years agoPost 15
snjbird

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Nope... Mine flies through flips with no bogging.

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