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04-23-2009 01:39 AM  9 years agoPost 61
Dennis (RIP)

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when you look at this woman with or without knowing she is gay you can see the masculine genetics. you can see it in many gays just by observing behavior. doesn't look like much of a secret in most.
I still don't buy it.

For all those that obviously appear to be gay, there are thousands that are gay that don't look gay. Not even close. They made a choice and the genetic issue is no where near as prevalent as claimed. I am sure some percentage of that is there. But minimal in numbers.

Ron Hills point that "Are Criminals Genetically Manufactured As Well?" is as good of a point as any here.

Thats my 2 cents.

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04-23-2009 01:44 AM  9 years agoPost 62
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sounds good.

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04-23-2009 02:33 AM  9 years agoPost 63
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Are Criminals Genetically Manufactured As Well?
Depends on the crime. Most serial killers are predisposed to do what they do. Child molesters are predisposed to do what they do. It is an overwhelming urge that they cannot control. There is something in their brains that is not "right". For the examples I gave, there are no known cures. It is simply an overwhelming, uncontrollable desire. They cannot control those urges. PERIOD!
They made a choice and the genetic issue is no where near as prevalent as claimed.
It's certainly true that a lot of people indulge in homosexuality simply because they enjoy it, not because they are actually homosexuals. That doesn't make them gay, it makes them perverts! Some of them eventually settle down and end up in a monogamous straight relationship. Others will never find happiness in a committed relationship, because they just don't want to control their urges.

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04-23-2009 02:43 AM  9 years agoPost 64
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Depends on the crime. Most serial killers are predisposed to do what they do. Child molesters are predisposed to do what they do. It is an overwhelming urge that they cannot control. There is something in their brains that is not "right". For the examples I gave, there are no known cures. It is simply an overwhelming, uncontrollable desire. They cannot control those urges. PERIOD!
I disagree, I think we all have control of our actions. Including those predisposed to anything if that is even the case. You could very well argue the same thing for armed robbery or rape. Only problem with that is once you make that argument then you can no longer punish those people because they are not responsible for those actions. Should we stop prosecuting serial killers or pedophiles? Start treating them and expect that they will lead normal lives? I dont think so.

Someone eluded to it but the big factor in all of this whether you are predisposed or not are environmental factors. People are the sum of everything around them. Is it that the child of an alcoholic predisposed to alcoholism or is it that growing up in that environment he comes to accept it as normal behavior even though it is socially unacceptable. You could put poverty in that same group. It becomes generational hence the "predisposition." And I certainly dont think its genetic.

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04-23-2009 02:47 AM  9 years agoPost 65
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Depends on the crime. Most serial killers are predisposed to do what they do. Child molesters are predisposed to do what they do. It is an overwhelming urge that they cannot control. There is something in their brains that is not "right".
Was not aware those are genetic disorders.

Would you happen to have some documentation to back that up?

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04-23-2009 03:13 AM  9 years agoPost 66
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Would you happen to have some documentation to back that up?
Google it, and you'll find thousands of pages on the subject. I'm sure you will also find images of their brain activity under lab conditions compared to those of normal brains. There is entirely too much evidence for me to know where to begin. Psychopath, Sociopath, Schizophrenia, ect, are all mental disorders. All lead to bizarre behavior, Even a brain tumor can cause a person to to go legally insane.
I think we all have control of our actions.
Go visit a Psych ward. I guarantee you'll change your mind about that.
Should we stop prosecuting serial killers or pedophiles?
Absolutely not.
Start treating them and expect that they will lead normal lives?
Treat them, yes. Let them live amongst us? Absolutely, positively not! They need to be locked up and guarded. We are studying them, and trying to learn how to help them. Until we can cure them, we can only do two things. Lock them up in facilities which are adequate to hold them, or kill them. There is a lot more to be learned from studying them than there is by killing them. It is a net benefit to society to find cures for mental illness, rather than pretending that they don't exist.

Why not study extreme cases and learn from them?

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04-23-2009 03:30 AM  9 years agoPost 67
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I agree with your first point to some extent, and I have read some of the studies. But I dont think that everyone who is a serial killer, mass murderer, or pedophile is clinically insane.

Which brings me to your second point, I dont think these people fit into the same category as schizophrenics or people with severe psychiatric disorders.

And I dont disagree with your final point, I think there is much to be learned. But I have a problem anytime we absolve someone of responsibility for something because you then open it up to people who will take advantage of that position.

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04-23-2009 03:38 AM  9 years agoPost 68
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Google it, and you'll find thousands of pages on the subject. I'm sure you will also find images of their brain activity under lab conditions compared to those of normal brains. There is entirely too much evidence for me to know where to begin. Psychopath, Sociopath, Schizophrenia, ect, are all mental disorders. All lead to bizarre behavior, Even a brain tumor can cause a person to to go legally insane.
I won't bother 1stPlace. I see your point. But, those numbers are small as compared to the population as a whole.

Same with the gays. I just don't buy the idea that ALL gays are genetically predisposed to be gay. I still believe the largest majority of them have made a choice to go that way. Anyone can apply the many varying sociological factors that help them make that choice. All, or most of them would probably apply. Except genetics as applied to them ALL as claimed by some. Not even close

Look, as mentioned previously, I am not an expert, or a scientist.

Its just my personal opinion. No one here has changed my mind. Yet.

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04-23-2009 03:59 AM  9 years agoPost 69
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But I dont think that everyone who is a serial killer, mass murderer, or pedophile is clinically insane.
That's true.
I dont think these people fit into the same category as schizophrenics or people with severe psychiatric disorders.
I'm in no way trying to say that homosexuals are insane, or that they are in the same category. Just that their brains work a little differently than straight peoples. homosexual orientation should not be viewed as a form of pathology. But rather, a variation of the sexual function produced by a certain arrest of sexual development.
But I have a problem anytime we absolve someone of responsibility for something because you then open it up to people who will take advantage of that position.
Absolutely correct.

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04-23-2009 04:16 AM  9 years agoPost 70
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I doubt you will ever find anything to do with human behaviour that you could say applies to every one of us exactly the same with the exception of birth and death. Granted, it is not as simple as I make it, but in many things this is the case. Take certain drugs for instance. Some people need very little of something where others need more. I had to go on blood thinner for a while a few years back. My doctor told me that the doseage I needed to get the proper results would have killed most people a couple times over. Why did I need more than 99% of other people....Hell if I know. There are likely people that have the same urges as a serial killer, but they are able to control them. They may even have the same genetic defect, but they can control it where someone else can't.

What I talked about earlier was based on a very limited group. 6 or 7 people I grew up with. But out of that group, I would say all showed certain traits back as far as I can remember. That lead me to my opinion that there is more to it than it just being a choice they made. This is my opinion based on my limited exposure to such things. I think there might be something to it, but in no way am I stating that it is a fact or universal truth. I may even change my opinion at some point.

This is what I was having a hard time with Ron with earlier today. He kept going off about facts, where the only fact was that it was my opinion. Nothing more, and nothing less. I get a kick out of how so many of us "myself included" read things into other peoples posts that just are not there.

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04-23-2009 04:27 AM  9 years agoPost 71
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perhaps someone who is gay could come on here and help you understand from their point of view. or go speak to someone who is gay if it means that much to you.

there was a young girl/kid we knew down the street that my wife and i knew was gay before they did just from observation as she grew up.

turns out she now has a girl friend. munchin' carpet like it's going out of style. seen it many times over the years. seems logical that there could be a 'mis-wiring' somewhere.

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04-23-2009 04:55 AM  9 years agoPost 72
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I have only ever asked one person about it, and he said he knew he were not the same as the rest of us as far back as he could remember. It was a guy that I worked with 20 some odd years ago. I must have worked with him for 5 or 6 years before I even figured out that he was gay. He was not your Perez Hilton Flamer type at all. To tell the truth, working with and knowing this person did more to change my personal views of gay people than anything else. I was never what I would consider myself a gay basher or anything like that, but I was not very tolerant of the life style either. These days I would rather live and let live, but at the same time I still get tired of all the GAY bs that is forced apon us in this day and age. It is like I want to be able to except it without wanting to except it.
Sounds strange does it not?

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04-23-2009 05:54 AM  9 years agoPost 73
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whirlyspud
I would say all showed certain traits back as far as I can remember
That could easily mean that the event that pushed them in that direction happened early in life. That you noticed it early does not mean it was genetic, just that it was noticed early.
These days I would rather live and let live, but at the same time I still get tired of all the GAY bs that is forced apon us in this day and age. It is like I want to be able to except (sic) it without wanting to except (sic) it.
Sounds strange does it not?
Nope perfectly normal feeling. You don't care, even support it, but don't want to have it shoved in your face.

monkey nuttz
perhaps someone who is gay could come on here and help you understand from their point of view. or go speak to someone who is gay if it means that much to you.
Again, just having someone claim they 'felt' that way does not mean anything other than they felt that way. Gamblers feel the need to gamble, like it is a physical need and they may have felt that way all their lives. Criminals may feel the need to steal, but that does not mean it is genetic. As long as I can remember, I just liked chocolate ice cream.... again, that does not make that preference genetic.

I have several friends that are gay... They almost all claim they were drawn to it like it was natural. Of course, I know people (including me) that claim the exact same thing about skydiving... Does that mean skydiving is genetic as well?

Or does it just mean it fills a need and we think that since it filled that need that we FEEL "were meant to do it", or "were born that way"?

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04-23-2009 02:37 PM  9 years agoPost 74
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Ron, I liked that reply, and I am sorry for the pissing match before. In the end, that boiled down to me not understanding what you were saying.

I agree with you that it could be an event that happened, but I am still open to the idea that genetics could play a part. I say this because one girl I grew up with that is now openly gay, (and most everyone here has heard of) had a very masculine body type even as a child. I do not see where that would be something from a learned behaviour or some other event. I think the main reason that I am open to this idea is because if it is true, It would make it a much easier thing for me to accept. As it is now, I don't really like it, but I still try to take a live and let live outlook on it.

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04-23-2009 02:47 PM  9 years agoPost 75
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Do you believe that any tv or radio station or any billboard company should be allowed to display or air any vulgar language or pornographic images that they like without any limits?
Yes, you have a clear choice to not look in a particular direction and change the radio station...

If I notice something I don't like with my eyes or my ears, I avert my attention rather than cry about how aweful it is...

Stupidity can be cured. Ignorance is for life!

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04-23-2009 03:50 PM  9 years agoPost 76
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"Do you believe that any tv or radio station or any billboard company should be allowed to display or air any vulgar language or pornographic images that they like without any limits?"

No. I believe there should be certain standards. Just like with nudie mags in a store, I think they should be able to sell them, but I also think they should be somewhat concealed. As for radio, if it is subscription, they should be able to let fly what ever they want, but if it is regular band, I think they should have limits. I would also like a system that I could point at the guy next to me at the gas station with his gangster rap blairing out of his car and blow his speakers out.

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04-23-2009 06:18 PM  9 years agoPost 77
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Silly flamer- Didn't mommy tell you D!cks are for Chicks?

Liberals are like a "Slinky", useless but entertaining when pushed down stairs....

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04-23-2009 06:39 PM  9 years agoPost 78
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I think Homosexuality may be more than a choice as its been around since the cows came home. e.g. in the Bible its condemed as a crime.

So I guess the interesting part is why did it become a crime. I can unerstand Jewish and Muslim laws about food (no fridges etc). Would love to know who, how on earth and why they came up with circumcision.

As for homosexuality well I think in the past you needed the resources of a couple to bring up children and I guess in the past when you had two blokes slipping one to one another, they proberly had more resources eg both being able to labour etc so were proberly able to live a more extravagant life style ( e.g getting pissed, lots of sexual partners) and it was frowned upon as a waste of resources, or even looked upon jealously.

I admire the young woman, good for her to do what she belives is right.

As for a homosexual judge I can't see how hes a fitting judge since females are not exactly his main interest.

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04-23-2009 08:28 PM  9 years agoPost 79
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That's like having a vegan judge a barbeque!

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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04-24-2009 03:31 AM  9 years agoPost 80
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R.I.P. Perez LOL

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