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04-20-2009 07:29 PM  9 years agoPost 1
bigduke666

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Ok let the debate begin.
Between the SK 360, V bar or Helicomand, which would do the best job in terms of price, performance and most of all ease of use in setting up and trimming out.

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04-20-2009 07:39 PM  9 years agoPost 2
Hoverup

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Apples and oranges. SK 360 and V bar offer no stabilization. HeliCommand Rigid does offer this feature, but is expensive.

If you meant which of these systems allows you to tune a multi-blade heli so that it flys like a flybarred heli then bang for the buck puts Skookum Robotics SK360 in the lead.

Performance again is difficult due to the variables in the 3 systems you listed. SK 360 is a two axis system while the other two have an integrated HH T/R gyro and as a result are 3 axis.

SK 360 is a breeze to set up while V-Bar and HC Rigid are a little more involved.

Your thread would do better here: http://runryder.com/f124p1/

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04-20-2009 08:18 PM  9 years agoPost 3
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I upgraded my TT Ecureuil on Trex 600E mechs from a two bladed Vbar'd head, to a three bladed head. I didn't make any adjustments to the Vbar settings and it flies almost identically to its former two bladed self. Vbar doesn't seem to care how many blades you're swinging.

We don't need no stinking flybars!

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04-21-2009 01:13 AM  9 years agoPost 4
seattle_helo

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A big virtue of the SK360 is definitely the ease of setup and tuning. I have helped a friend set up his V-bar and it was quite a bit more involved. But the level of tuning adjustments it has is impressive. I have not flown a heli with a V-bar so I can't comment on that but I do know a few things about the SK360. Picked one up when they were first released with the intention of testing it in a multi-blade Trex450. It worked out so well and I became so comfortable with the software and tuning of the unit that I put them into a couple more multi-blade machines, including my Vario turbine 500E. Both the big and baby birds all fly beautifully with the SK360. The performance really is outstanding and I can whole heartedly recommend them to anyone.

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04-21-2009 02:27 AM  9 years agoPost 5
stanc

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I agree with seattle_helo. I have a SK360 in a eRaptor 50 that is going in a fuse with a four bladed head and a VBAR in a Logo 500. The Sk360 is hands down easier to setup and the heli flies as though it had a fly bar. The Logo also flies like it had a fly bar only a lot quicker, that is if you want it quicker.
The new 4.0 firmware that Mikado has come out with this month, does make the VBAR much easier to setup.

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04-21-2009 02:43 AM  9 years agoPost 6
seattle_helo

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Stan, it will be interesting to see the v4 firmware. I too have heard it's much easier to setup now. Please keep us posted.

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04-25-2009 04:25 AM  9 years agoPost 7
keepmflyn

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seattle_helo
Since you have experience with the SK360 and multi blade heads a quick question please. I am in the process of putting a four blade head on my Trex 600e with the SK360 already flying well using mixing arm and trailing edge control. My question is with direct leading edge control how low do you go on the bell gain as I am already at only 10 with a good feel? Is it OK to set it to zero and how low is too low on the swash mix before reducing the travel? Any advice would be appreciated.

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04-25-2009 04:36 AM  9 years agoPost 8
seattle_helo

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I must admit that I never did change the Bell Gain settings from stock- which I believe were 30. I'm not sure I would be comfortable going below ten. Art from Skookum would be the perfect guy to ask about the effects of such low Bell Gains. Were you having problems with it at or near 30? And regarding the swash mixing I have never changed it from the 60/60/60 values I have in there now. Are you attempting to reduce your cyclic and collective travels? My apologies for the vague answers- I'm not sure I understand what you're asking.

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04-25-2009 04:50 AM  9 years agoPost 9
keepmflyn

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Yes on the reducing the cyclic and collective travel, I'm not done setting it up so the questions might be premature. I have the phasing set and am working on getting the correct length rods made to start setting the pitch. As for the low bell gain at 30 it just seemed to be a little too twitchy for me and lowered to 10 just felt better. I will contact Art at Skookum for some more advise. Thanks

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04-25-2009 11:33 AM  9 years agoPost 10
kennethw

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For what's it worth, being new to all this, I had initially flown mine with the Default setting of 34% Elevator and 40% Aileron for Bell. At this setting, I was always on the edge of a knife trying to keep the heli in one place.

I've reduced the Bell to the Scale 'default' setting of 25% Elevator and 30% Aileron, and now my heartrate has fallen to a brisk walking pace as opposed to a sprint.

I'm only flying a 450 sized though.

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04-25-2009 11:38 AM  9 years agoPost 11
Turbinator

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Anyone ever use one of these on twin rotor Vertol?

I have older Hirobo model that uses 4 servos, mechanical mixing to front and rear rotors and uses standard gyros. It has become better to fly with when I replaced the old mechanical gyros with piezo ones but still a handful and for me not the most comfortable to fly.

contact info available to ask Art at Skookum?

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04-25-2009 05:11 PM  9 years agoPost 12
Richard Morgan

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Heli Command
I am building the 1/4 scale Vario Bell 47 G-3 with the scale flybarless head and I am putting the Helicommand Rigid system in it. One of the guys here has one on a Raptor 90 flybarless. I have flown and it is impressive. Tail control may not be as positive for hard 3D. but for smooth wide open aeobatics and scale flying, it is spot on. That is why I will be using it on my G3

Richard

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04-25-2009 06:07 PM  9 years agoPost 13
Phoenix NOTAR

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Turbinator,

I have put a Skookum SK-360 on my "original type" ((1986 vintage) Hirobo Vertol at the end of last season. I am still using the OS 32 rear cone engine, which is very marginal on power, so I have not yet tweaked the Skookum to perfection yet. It is one of the projects for this Spring. It has helped quite a bit in stability/control over just a normal piezo gyro on elevator. Before the Skookum, I never had a gyro on aileron.
It is not yet to the point where I whip it around the sky like Stan does with his the newer Vertol with the Hirobo electronics, but that is the goal. There is no issue with the SK-360 being "adapted" to the Vertol with its mechanical mixing, if that is your main question.

Sandy

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04-26-2009 02:54 AM  9 years agoPost 14
Turbinator

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Sandy,

Yes, you answered my main question, will it work, can it be fitted. I think I may give one a try this summer. Currently I have 3 JR piezo gyros in it, one on elv, ail, and rudd. It is also electric, MUCH better then the .46 OS I had in it. I started with the .32 also, mine is from around 1994 vintage. THANKS for the info!!

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