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04-20-2009 03:05 PM  10 years ago
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F6Hawk

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Quick 30 questions for a newbie to RC
Greetings all, I have a unique opportunity that fell into my lap today, and I wanted to see if it is worth exploiting. I am wanting to get started in RC heli flying, was axually leaning towards electric models (450-600 size), when outta the blue, this guy brings me an older Quick 30 Nitro heli and tells me to take it off his hands.

I know little about RC flying, and less about nitros. This thing has been sitting in his laundry room for years, has a bit of rust on some of the screws, but looks to be in good condition otherwise. No canopy, missing two canopy screws, and needs a tail servo link. Otherwise, the swash & bearings seem tight, but smooth. The engine is an OS Max SX 32, brand new, never even started. NES-517 servos, and a 72MHz receiver, which I would probably toss for a DX7 & AR7000 setup if I buy this thing.

What I want to know is... how much is it worth, is it a good machine to learn on, and what do I need to get it flying again?

So far, I only have the heli, but he is spoda bring me a field box and "lots of extra stuff" tomorrow. For now, these pics will show you what I have, and I look forward to the input of those who have been doing this a LOT longer than I.

Thanks!

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04-20-2009 11:08 PM  10 years ago
jimboflies

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That would be a good trainer. Does it have a gyro on it ?EP8 EX twinring frame
Quick of Japan
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04-21-2009 06:44 AM  10 years ago
F6Hawk

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No gyro. Just a 72 MHz receiver, 5 servos, and a battery. I will need a T/R linkage setup, some nitro, and that is about it for the first flight. Today, he brought me 2 radios, a field box with starter, glow, fuel tank, pump, etc. Radios are Futaba PCM1024Z 9ZHP (EDIT: originally called this a 9ZAP, but have since discovered that it is an HP, the Heli model with smooth throttle control) and a FP-T7UHF, old crystal stuff, but that should tide me over until I can get a DX7 in the mail.

What H/H gyro could/should I use with this, and will it work with as old of a setup as I have?
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04-21-2009 07:50 AM  10 years ago
jimboflies

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I would use a Futaba gy401.Also , get a s9254 tail servo. They have a combo with the 2 .Call Irwin at Quick World Wide, he has everything you need for the heli, plus , he is the one who designed it and built it. (610) 282 4811
If you do not have a flight simulator , get one. It will save you lots of money in the long run.. I prefer the Realflight G3.5.
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04-21-2009 07:56 AM  10 years ago
jimboflies

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OOPS, just noticed you are from Korea. Email them. jon@quickworldwide.comEP8 EX twinring frame
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04-21-2009 09:37 AM  10 years ago
mike5334

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F6Hawk,

I can give you a hand with the Quick if needed. I'm currently stationed at Osan Airbase (deployed to Suwon AB until the end of May). I've flown Quick machines for about three years now and love how they fly. Currently, I have a Quick 50 Pro and a Octane Dominator with me.

That 9ZAP radio is a good one and should work very well until you move to the DX radio.

Jimbo offered great advice on the gyro and rudder servo combo. Even if you have years of flying planes under your belt, a gyro will make life so much easier when learning how to fly a heli. Don't worry ... your Quick will work nicely as a trainer.
Mike M
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04-21-2009 10:13 AM  10 years ago
F6Hawk

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Great advice on the simulator, I bought Real Flight G3 a coupla years ago, but got away from it. But recently, I have picked it up again. I realize that thousands of dollars can be saved from using the sim. Recently upgraded to G3.5, and even added some expansion packs. Great sim, really teaches you just how sensitive these things are.

Thanks for the tips on QWW/Irwin. I actually PM'd him last night, and he recommended me starting this thread. I a going to plug everything up tonight and get good charges, then check the servos tomorrow. The big show stopper right now is not having the T/R linkage from the servo to the P/C links. Looks like I need to place an order quickly!

Also, one of the blades has a tiny chip at the tip, so I guess it would be safest to replace them. What blades are recommended for this particular bird? Wood? Fiberglass? Carbon Fiber? Brand?

Thanks again for your input!
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04-21-2009 10:16 AM  10 years ago
jimboflies

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Thanks Mike, I`m glad F6Hawk has some local help to get him going in this wonderful hobby.EP8 EX twinring frame
Quick of Japan
EP8v2 EX
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04-21-2009 10:19 AM  10 years ago
F6Hawk

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Wow, thanks Mike, any hands-on help would be GREAT! I work at K-16, so we are not all that far apart, I guess. Do you think any local Korean hobby shops will have the T/R linkage, or will I hafta get it from QWW? Not sure how interchangeable Quick parts are with other brands.
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04-21-2009 10:34 AM  10 years ago
jimboflies

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You should be able to get the T/R linkage at one of the local shops...
good luck.. Keep us posted on your adventure!!
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04-21-2009 12:43 PM  10 years ago
F6Hawk

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Wow, Jimbo, you really want me to get rid of all the money I saved buying used, dontcha?? That GY401/S9254 combo is worth more than my whole heli!!

Well, since you are twisting my arm to make flight easier, is this considered a good, better, or best gyro/servo combo? I see it referenced a lot on the forums, but have also seen the DS3400G tail servo used with the 401. Any thoughts or other recommendations?

Also, do I need to lube moving parts, and if so, with what? I cleaned up the heli today with some alcohol, rag, and brushes, and she is starting to look nicer. Those blades were axually WHITE!!
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04-21-2009 11:05 PM  10 years ago
jimboflies

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The GY401/S9254 combo is one of the best gyro/tail servo combos there is for anything from small electrics to a .50 size heli. I`m using the Gy401 on my QWW Bat 26cc gasser and it holds the tail rock solid.
You can get the gy401 and s9254 here on RR used at a good price, but , you have to be real careful with who you deal with , check feed-back very good.
Also , I`m using the DX7. Been using it for over 2 years and it is the best radio I have ever had. Good choice the DX7..
Show us some pics of the heli cleaned up!! Thanks..
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04-21-2009 11:08 PM  10 years ago
jimboflies

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I lube the main shaft and the tail shaft with tri-flow.

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04-22-2009 12:41 AM  10 years ago
JuanRodriguez

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I like to lube my main shaft with this !

It holds up really well under intense friction !!!

Sorry, I could not resist myself !!!
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04-22-2009 01:06 AM  10 years ago
jimboflies

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Good one Juan!!!EP8 EX twinring frame
Quick of Japan
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EP9
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04-22-2009 03:58 AM  10 years ago
mike5334

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Hawk,

Check out Yongsan RC (http://www.buyrc.co.kr). They are located in the Seoul Electronics market. They have LOTS of heli parts (but no Quick or Quick of Japan). Last time I was in there a couple months ago, they had a good selection of carbon and fiberglass blades. They even had some wood blades in stock.
Chances are they will have a T/R linkage, though you might have to browse through the store's racks to find it. They had at least one guy in there that spoke fairly good English that can help too.

QWW has pretty darn fast shipping even to here. Typically, I've gotten parts from them in 7 days via USPS.

If you want to chat, my cell is 010-9662-3858.
Mike M
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04-22-2009 05:59 PM  10 years ago
F6Hawk

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Ummm, Juan, I tried that, and it got my new heli all STICKY!! I can't believe you use that stuff, that's nasty. Now I gotta alcohol the whole thing down again!

Ok, so I got the heli started tonight, had it strapped down to the table, just wanted to see if she would start and run. She did. TX settings were all screwy (throttle was backwards), so I downloaded a manual and played with them some. Then I started spinning blades, only to discover that they were way out of track. So I shut everything down, brought the bird inside, and set 90° on all servos when centered, then adjusted the pitch on each blade until they were as even as I could get them with the naked eye. (No blade protractor here yet)

And I got to noticing... this thing has what I guess is eCCPM, yet throttle (collective) movement was only moving one servo. So I got back into the manual, trying to figger out how to mix things up, and found this:

The heli manual says to set the TX for 3 point 120° swashplate mixing. But in the TX manual (Futaba FP-T7UHF), under mixing (pg 26), it says: "Mixing of any two channels is possible." It appears that there is a master and a slave channel, and we can set mixing for these two only. Set it at 50%, and sure enough, two servos move simultaneously.

So if I understand this correctly, I cannot achieve true eCCPM, and therefore cannot use this TX with me heli. Is this right? Bummer. Have heli, can't fly. Oh well, I guess this will just push me into buying that DX7/AR7000 combo that much sooner.

Also, QWW has some neat tools on their site, such as a bubble balancer, a flybar lockout tool, pitch gauge as well as paddle gauges... which of these are must-haves? I know now I will be getting ball link pliers, as well as ball end drivers (I have a few more sore fingers now than I did earlier tonight), but I wanted to know what else will make money for me as I set this thing up.

Thanks again for all the help guys, I really appreciate it. Mike, I will call you soon, would love to get together and let you take a gander at this thing in person, I am sure you would be able to knock weeks off my setup learning curve. Lunch would be on me, of course!

Where exactly in E-market is the hobby store? I have gotten lost in there more than once before. Is it in the main building, Yongsan station, or out back?

And have you ever been to the LHS at Sindoram station? I think it is called Joy Hobby, I was told by a small store owner today that it is the largest hobby store in Korea, they even have tables set up where you can bring your babies in and work on them on the spot. Even have tools for you. I gotta get over there this weekend and check it out.
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04-22-2009 06:16 PM  10 years ago
F6Hawk

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Back to the gyro/servo topic for a moment... is the Futaba GY 601 with 9251 servo a better combo than the 401/9254? If so, how so?
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04-22-2009 06:41 PM  10 years ago
JuanRodriguez

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To answer your question with one word........
Yes.....

Cause that combination has more holding power for aggressive 3D and fast backwards flight, not that the 401/9254 is a slouch, by any means.....

At your stage of the game, it would be "overkill", IMHO.....

The extra money would be better spent on fuel......
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04-22-2009 07:15 PM  10 years ago
F6Hawk

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Bah, FUEL!! *spit spit* I just paid $18 for a gallon of 15%. Expensive stuff, that is!

The reason I am considering it is because I found a used combo for less than a 401. And if I keep going the way I am thinking about now, I will end up with a gasser before this is over, and I wonder if the GY601 combo will handle a 231 or 260 getup?
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