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04-20-2009 11:08 PM  10 years ago
philip 01

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i could see satan being called a 'character' in the christian bible if you will, but i don't see satan as a 'christian religion' since christianity is a religion of christ, hence the name christian.

satanism would be a religion of satan. not christ.
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04-20-2009 11:13 PM  10 years ago
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I guess it's in how you look at it. Satan comes from the christian bible, you can't believe in God without believing in Satan, as, if you don't believe in Satan as the bibles personification of evil, than how can the rest of it mean anything. Believing in something, and worshipping it are not the same thing.Ron's Heliproz South
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04-20-2009 11:24 PM  10 years ago
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Seems it is derived from more pagan ritual than anything else, but since lucifers fall from grace comes from the bible, and the christian bible mentions it more so than others(don't remember hearing much about a muslim satan) in scripture in a good vs evil ideology, it is safe to say it is a christian religion.
Not knocking you John. But, I find it rather strange you find Satanism to be a religion.

Satan was the enemy of Christ and wanted to destroy him. That can be read as destroying religion rather than being one.

Again, I am no expert at this.
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04-20-2009 11:26 PM  10 years ago
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it more so than others(don't remember hearing much about a muslim satan) in scripture in a good vs evil ideology, it is safe to say it is a christian religion.
Actually, the Moslems believe in the same Satan. People tend to forget, all three of those major religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) are from the same area of middle east. They pronounce it something like Shoitan (spelling = ?). Their teachings are similar, i.e. Satan was the most powerful angel, until Satan fell out of grace, etc. etc.

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04-20-2009 11:47 PM  10 years ago
JohnLund

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Not knocking you John. But, I find it rather strange you find Satanism to be a religion.
That's funny, I find it strange that you don't.

A religion is an organized approach to human spirituality which usually encompasses a set of narratives, symbols, beliefs and practices, often with a supernatural or transcendent quality, that give meaning to the practitioner's experiences of life through reference to a higher power or truth.

Main Entry: re·li·gion
Pronunciation: \ri-ˈli-jən\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English religioun, from Anglo-French religiun, Latin religion-, religio supernatural constraint, sanction, religious practice, perhaps from religare to restrain, tie back — more at rely
Date: 13th century
1 a: the state of a religious <a nun in her 20th year of religion> b (1): the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2): commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
2: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
3archaic : scrupulous conformity : conscientiousness
4: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
— re·li·gion·less adjective

So, it does fall into the definition of religion, just not what you might think religion is.

Born2rc, yes there are "satans" in a lot of religions (either directly, or in a good vs evil sense), but since in our christian bible Satan was an angel, and it is derived from the christian bible, that's how I draw the conclusion that it is a christian religion. Everyone is free to have their opinion, and whether or not to consider it as such. You are right about the major religions coming from basically the same thing. Makes you wonder why there's so much killing in the name of them.
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04-21-2009 12:07 AM  10 years ago
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You dipweeds overthink everything. I really don't care whether you believe in god or not. I do know that I will trust them more than most of you. I can't argue about religion, I go by my life experiences.
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04-21-2009 12:18 AM  10 years ago
JohnLund

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You dipweeds overthink everything. I really don't care whether you believe in god or not. I do know that I will trust them more than most of you. I can't argue about religion, I go by my life experiences.
Kevin
I agree, my whole point before the distraction is that you can't have a state based on seperation of church and state, and then inject specific religion into it. The way christians feel about this incident, or any other where the state sides with seperation, is pretty much how I would imagine everyone from other religions feels all the time.
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04-21-2009 12:22 AM  10 years ago
Dennis (RIP)

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A religion is an organized approach to human spirituality which usually encompasses a set of narratives, symbols, beliefs and practices, often with a supernatural or transcendent quality, that give meaning to the practitioner's experiences of life through reference to a higher power or truth.
Again, not being an expert, I would view any reference to Spirituality as referring to a belief in God in one sense or another.

I don't think Spirituality would have anything to do with Satanism since Satan wanted to destroy God. Thus, he wanted to destroy religion rather than being one.

So, speaking for myself, I would view Satanism as a Cult rather than a Religion.

But, thats just me.
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04-21-2009 12:27 AM  10 years ago
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So, speaking for myself, I would view Satanism as a Cult rather than a Religion.
Funny enough...

cult
Pronunciation:\ˈkəlt\
Function:noun
Usageften attributive
Etymology:French & Latin; French culte, from Latin cultus care, adoration, from colere to cultivate — more at wheel
Date:1617
1: formal religious veneration : worship
2: a system of religious beliefs and ritual ; also : its body of adherents
3: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious ; also : its body of adherents

4: a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator <health cults>
5 a: great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book) ; especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad b: the object of such devotion c: a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion

Mostly people like to use 5. as the definition, often in conjunction with the demonization of someone and their beliefs, hmmm, kind of like the Obama administration is trying to do to conservatives.
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04-21-2009 12:35 AM  10 years ago
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04-21-2009 12:39 AM  10 years ago
Dennis (RIP)

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Mostly people like to use 5. as the definition, often in conjunction with the demonization of someone and their beliefs, hmmm, kind of like the Obama administration is trying to do to conservatives.
Well, I won't dispute that.

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04-21-2009 12:42 AM  10 years ago
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I bet if it had been the crescent moon image it would have been ok...
Funny how the Muslim folks can get there prayer rooms and everything they need to worship but for Christians....SORRY
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04-21-2009 01:02 AM  10 years ago
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I agree, my whole point before the distraction is that you can't have a state based on seperation of church and state, and then inject specific religion into it. The way christians feel about this incident, or any other where the state sides with seperation, is pretty much how I would imagine everyone from other religions feels all the time.
All I have been talking about is how humans should interact with each other. Most of the Biblical teachings, to me any way, teach us how to treat each other. I would say that most of western civilization do live by the tenants set forth in the bible. I see no problem with with Quotes from any religious text that promote what I consider how people should treat each other. Believe me I am definitely not religious, but I am in constant contact with Christianity and I take out of it what I need to. I will talk about god with them or not, but I do treat them with the same respect that I want. I see on these forums and in the real world a growing LACK of respect for Christians and their faith.
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04-21-2009 01:23 AM  10 years ago
husky385

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Christians don't own the patent on morality.
bum In my eyes they do. They certainly have a lot more morality than the lying, dishonest left of this country.
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04-21-2009 02:35 AM  10 years ago
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When I see Christians I see people that genuinely care about and respect others
You don't believe that a non-religious person can genuinely care about and respect others?
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04-21-2009 02:57 AM  10 years ago
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You don't believe that a non-religious person can genuinely care about and respect others?
Damn... Do you not read "NO" More than likely though the the religious person will genuinely care about others especially when that's what they are taught. Around and around the moron bush we go.
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04-21-2009 03:35 AM  10 years ago
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"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16 KJV

I am not ashamed to call myself a Christian. I respect anyone's right to choose any religion or not any religion. I believe Christians are no better human beings than any other group. But...I believe we have one thing they haven't got. Forgiveness through God's Grace.
Just had to put that out there.

Now for the issue at hand:
The Founding Fathers wrote about our rights granted by our "Creator".
They did not say that if you don't believe in a Creator that you were not entitled to these rights. The point I believe they were making is that the rights are yours, not given to you by any government. The President is charged with protecting the Constitution and Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces. If he carries out his responsibilities properly, then his religion or lack thereof, should not even be an issue. Can we agree on that?
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04-22-2009 01:13 AM  10 years ago
Thomas L Erb

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found this tidbit of history.

Patrick Henry, that patriot and Founding
Father of our country said:

'It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too
Often that this great nation was founded not
By religionists but by Christians, not on
Religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ'.

Tom
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04-22-2009 01:51 AM  10 years ago
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All I have to say on this matter is that the bible was written by a man and you are all seriously brainwashed...

Good day.
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04-22-2009 03:36 AM  10 years ago
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All I have to say on this matter is that the bible was written by a man and you are all seriously brainwashed...

Good day.
And that statement proves my point on how people treat Christians.

Good day to you.
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