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04-04-2009 01:51 AM  9 years agoPost 1
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This infuriates me to no end...

http://cryptogon.com/?p=7828

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04-04-2009 02:59 AM  9 years agoPost 2
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Well, this one you can thank the Bush administration for starting, and bet good money that the Obamanation will take to the next level.

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04-04-2009 03:04 AM  9 years agoPost 3
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Tell us how the Bush administration started this John.

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04-04-2009 04:16 AM  9 years agoPost 4
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"patriot act"

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04-04-2009 04:22 AM  9 years agoPost 5
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Then please tell us what part of the "Patriot Act" targets people with just the wrong bumper stickers?

I fail to see that connection.

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04-04-2009 04:28 AM  9 years agoPost 6
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Because the Patriot Act gave the government the power to essentially trample all over our rights... in this case, the right to free speech by showing support to Ron Paul.

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04-04-2009 04:32 AM  9 years agoPost 7
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Well then. Be so brave as to show us the section in the Patriot Act that says that.

Otherwise, you are just blowing smoke.

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04-04-2009 05:13 AM  9 years agoPost 8
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Well then. Be so brave as to show us the section in the Patriot Act that says that.

Otherwise, you are just blowing smoke.
If you want everyone to stop being "blind" when you rant on about democrats, than tip your partisan hat back a bit about "republicans". Thanks to the "Patriot" Act, the DHS, TSA are pretty much free to do what they want, and label people how they see fit. Harassing citizens, in the name of "security", has become a routine for these barely trained monkeys. Lets face it, when papers like the MIAC report are even created, we have given our "law" enforcement agencies too much rope. I suppose you also think it's ok for the TSA to order private airlines to turn over Passenger Name List for domestic flights so they can bounce them off a database of known, and suspected terrorist? Well if you do, than I can't wait for the day that the Obamanation decides that YOUR political views are a threat to the USSA, and bounces YOUR name of that list, or puts it on there. Because I am going to be standing there telling you, "I told you so".

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04-04-2009 05:22 AM  9 years agoPost 9
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Told me so what? I see a lot of ranting and raving there. But, you still did not show the section in the Patriot Act where you are not allowed a certain bumper sticker. In fact, I see nothing you have shown us about the Patriot Act. Just ranting and raving about it with no facts at all.

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04-04-2009 05:32 AM  9 years agoPost 10
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no one is "ranting and raving". it's going to be ok.

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04-04-2009 05:39 AM  9 years agoPost 11
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Dennis, I understand that critical thinking isn't your strong suit, and the big picture eludes you if it creeps into you partisanship, but try to stay focused. It isn't about the "Patriot" Act saying anything about bumper stickers, it is about the "Patriot" Act and the mentality that follows it, giving government agencies powers to determine on whim who is what in regards to national "security". It's about agencies being able to put out a report labeling Americans that talk about the Constitution, and supporting libertarian candidates as members of militias. It's about government agencies having the power to label those that are against their agenda as an enemy of the state. Unfortunately, you probably won't get it until it has turned on you.

Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Kommunist.

Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.

Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten,
habe ich nicht protestiert;
ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.

Als sie die Juden holten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Jude.

Als sie mich holten,
gab es keinen mehr, der protestieren konnte.

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04-04-2009 05:57 AM  9 years agoPost 12
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Dennis,
I will assume you watch the video...Do you think for one minute that those agents knew that part of the Patriot act that you require?

Is it not blatant enough that they even write into law for folks to pick and choose for proof?

I think Ray Charles could see through all this charade, and he would surely be against it...

John has undoubtedly the eyes to see, and hopefully some will have ears to hear...

Even Reagen was my hero at one time until I realized he was at Bohemian Grove along with the same buddies that surounded "W" and Obama..

Yes, you, and he were correct, "Government is the problem".

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04-04-2009 06:02 AM  9 years agoPost 13
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And then they came for me..................I was guessing John.

What is so incredable to me is those that know history, but yet do not see the same script being followed to a "T" as Pre Germany 1939..

We even copied their guns laws per batum since the 1968 gun act..

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04-04-2009 06:43 AM  9 years agoPost 14
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New World Order

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04-04-2009 06:47 AM  9 years agoPost 15
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Still lots of ranting and raving about the Patriot Act and no facts. None.

Unfortunately we see a lot of that.

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04-04-2009 06:50 AM  9 years agoPost 16
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when you say 'ranting and raving', what specifically do you mean?

people are submitting posts but i don't see what you are speaking of specifically.

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04-04-2009 06:59 AM  9 years agoPost 17
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Just a part of what I see as ranting and raving and no facts:
Because the Patriot Act gave the government the power to essentially trample all over our rights... in this case, the right to free speech by showing support to Ron Paul.
Dennis, I understand that critical thinking isn't your strong suit, and the big picture eludes you if it creeps into you partisanship, but try to stay focused. It isn't about the "Patriot" Act saying anything about bumper stickers, it is about the "Patriot" Act and the mentality that follows it, giving government agencies powers to determine on whim who is what in regards to national "security". It's about agencies being able to put out a report labeling Americans that talk about the Constitution, and supporting libertarian candidates as members of militias. It's about government agencies having the power to label those that are against their agenda as an enemy of the state. Unfortunately, you probably won't get it until it has turned on you.
Is it not blatant enough that they even write into law for folks to pick and choose for proof?

I think Ray Charles could see through all this charade, and he would surely be against it...

John has undoubtedly the eyes to see, and hopefully some will have ears to hear...
No facts at all about what the Patriot Act says there. Lots of opinion. But, no facts. I have seen this for several years about the Patriot Act. Every single time I challenge, there is never an answer for the details of what portion of the act people are complaining about. Not one. Just ranting and raving about how bad it is and how harmful it is to us all.

Thats what I meant by ranting and raving. If you have the eyes to see, as billme says, then show us.

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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04-04-2009 07:08 AM  9 years agoPost 18
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not 'ranting and raving'. just people making posts.

nothing to get worked up over. it is what it is. some will 'get it', some won't.

john explained it very well here:
Dennis, I understand that critical thinking isn't your strong suit, and the big picture eludes you if it creeps into you partisanship, but try to stay focused. It isn't about the "Patriot" Act saying anything about bumper stickers, it is about the "Patriot" Act and the mentality that follows it, giving government agencies powers to determine on whim who is what in regards to national "security". It's about agencies being able to put out a report labeling Americans that talk about the Constitution, and supporting libertarian candidates as members of militias. It's about government agencies having the power to label those that are against their agenda as an enemy of the state. Unfortunately, you probably won't get it until it has turned on you.

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04-04-2009 08:16 AM  9 years agoPost 19
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john explained it very well here:
Dennis, I understand that critical thinking isn't your strong suit, and the big picture eludes you if it creeps into you partisanship, but try to stay focused. It isn't about the "Patriot" Act saying anything about bumper stickers, it is about the "Patriot" Act and the mentality that follows it, giving government agencies powers to determine on whim who is what in regards to national "security". It's about agencies being able to put out a report labeling Americans that talk about the Constitution, and supporting libertarian candidates as members of militias. It's about government agencies having the power to label those that are against their agenda as an enemy of the state. Unfortunately, you probably won't get it until it has turned on you.
All opinion. No "Facts" about the Patriot Act. None. John brought it up.

I can focus on facts.

I will challenge, or even ridicule, opinions that show no facts or data to prove an opinion.

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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04-04-2009 09:14 AM  9 years agoPost 20
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You see Monkey, if something doesn't fit into Dennis's agenda, or his little partisan bubble, than whoever is saying it is "ranting and raving", and even though the truth is slapping him in the face. He just repeats the same thing over and over hoping it becomes true, not unlike GimbalFan. Dennis is a hypocrite. He hates the .gov if they are doing leftist things, but defends it tooth and nail if it is doing righty things. Control of the populace through a police state Dennis, is the same as control of the populace through the welfare state.

And Dennis it is a fact that a report was issued saying that supporters of Ron Paul, Bob Barr, and Chuck Baldwin are possible "domestic terrorist", as well as, hold on to your seat...members of the Constitutional Party, Pro-life people, people that believe themselves to be sovereign citizens, tax resistors, people who are anti-illegal immigration, and so forth. They also use such subversive lingo as Molon Labe, and use gunshows for recruiting. So no Dennis, it isn't an opinion, it is a fact. The people purchased some temporary security at the low low cost, of a little bit of liberty, and the first installment was the "Patriot" Act. When your political, or religious views can be used to single you out as an enemy of the state, than this is no longer a free country. I know it's ok with you Dennis, as long as it is the left political views, or someone of a religion other than yours are being persecuted, but like I said, when the other side is in charge, and Obama uses the same powers you so gleefully gave to the Bush administration, don't cry to anyone but yourself.
Then please tell us what part of the "Patriot Act" targets people with just the wrong bumper stickers?
Told me so what? I see a lot of ranting and raving there. But, you still did not show the section in the Patriot Act where you are not allowed a certain bumper sticker. In fact, I see nothing you have shown us about the Patriot Act.
Oh, and Dennis, no one said that the "Patriot" Act says anything about bumper stickers, that is you trying to inject something into the conversation that you know isn't true, so you can pretend to have a point to argue. You know, it's kind of interesting you making a false statement, to try proving someone else made a false statement.

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