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04-02-2009 11:49 PM  9 years agoPost 1
TaleGunner

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I have an X9303 and AR9000 in a Spectra G. This heli is already flying with out the gov installed
I need to program it so I can run a kill switch on an aux channel with a switch, a 770gyro on the gear switch, and still use my GV-1 governor.
I currently have gyro on gear switch plugged into the the gear channel and aux1 and the kill switch on the the aux 2 switch and the aux 3 channel it works great like this.
Here is were I run into trouble, I need to hook up the gov so it is also on a switch to turn it on and off.( preferably RUD/DR switch)
I have tried so many things that my brain went numb and I lost track of what I did and didnt try. Can someone please tell me what to program so I can keep my current stuff working and get the on/off on the rudder/DR switch and aux channel 2 or 4.
Step by step please, I have fried my brain on this, thought I had programing down but I guess not
I have the JR datalink so it could be set up and file emailed to me and I can U/L it.
Maybe if I see how its done it will make sence

Raja recomended I change the gyro to a diferent channle but I am used to my gyro being on the gear switch. Then he started talking to fast and lost me

I am open to all or any ideas I would even bet some of you have already done this exact setup
Thanks

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04-03-2009 03:02 AM  9 years agoPost 2
rbort

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I really tried to be patient and talk you through it on the phone.
Sorry if I confused you in some way.

I'll make it short and simple:

Gv1 goes into throttle, gear and aux4.
gyro goes into rudder and into aux2 for gain (rudder d/r switch).

This way WILL work, that's what I do. Once you get over not having the rudder on the gear channel, it will all be downhill from there.

If you want to call me I'm in a hotel in DE. PM me and I'll shoot you the number.

-=>Raja.

MA 1005 Hanson 280, 4220 flts
Spectra 27 3DMax, 3310 flts
Whiplash V1-2 Hanson 300, 1618 flts
Whiplash V2 Hanson 300, 473 flts

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04-03-2009 04:46 PM  9 years agoPost 3
FloridaHeli

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TailGunner & Raja,

Thanks for binging this up and the clear reply. I'm getting a Kill Switch from Kent soon and will need to know how to do the set up.

Appreciate all the help.

This hobby is WAY too expensive!!

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04-03-2009 04:52 PM  9 years agoPost 4
TaleGunner

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I think I understand what Raja is doing, but I don't want to change my gyro from the gear switch. all of my helis have the gyro set up on that switch and I am used to it there. Could cause me trouble if I had one heli on a different switch

I can say I love the kill switch I think everyone should have one.

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04-03-2009 06:25 PM  9 years agoPost 5
CNCjunkie

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I have the exact same setup as Raja on my Predator and will also setup this way on my Spectra-G.

I too was used to having gyro on the gear switch, but I learned to do it the other way so I could turn the governor on and off without taking my finger off of the cyclic controls. Gov rpm is faily well matched to throttle curves so when switching on and off, there is hardly a noticable rpm change.

I only use aux2 to switch between HH and rate mode of the gyro and usually leave it on HH anyway, so hardly ever touch the aux2 switch.

Just another crappy day in Paradise....Aloha!

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04-03-2009 09:01 PM  9 years agoPost 6
smallplanes

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Just asking because i don't know but why do you want a kill switch?


Spectra G 26cc
Jewel
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Trex 700<br

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04-03-2009 09:55 PM  9 years agoPost 7
TaleGunner

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I finally gave in and gave up the gear switch to the gov I just couldn't find a way around it.

I have it all setup like Raja and all seems to work. I will test fly it as soon as weather permits.
Just asking because i don't know but why do you want a kill switch?
A remote kill switch is much safer I can kill the engine with the flip of a switch and set up failsafe to auto kill if reciever goes into failsafe. + the end of the chicken dance.

If I understand our local AMA rep it is being brought up for a vote soon ( like next week or two) to make it mandatory on gas helis like it is on large gas aircraft. So we will pobably have to have one to fly at AMA events.
On a personal note, if I would have had one when I started this project I would not be nursing this ugly cut on my ankle.

I havd the JR link and can make the file available for any who want it.
That is if it works like it should when I test it

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04-03-2009 10:25 PM  9 years agoPost 8
CNCjunkie

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If I understand our local AMA rep it is being brought up for a vote soon ( like next week or two) to make it mandatory on gas helis like it is on large gas aircraft. So we will pobably have to have one to fly at AMA events.
Interesting. If this is true, why would only gassers need to have a remote kill switch? The nitros do the chicken dance quite well from what I've seen, and no way to stop it until the clutch or engine burns up or it runs out of fuel.

Just another crappy day in Paradise....Aloha!

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04-03-2009 11:12 PM  9 years agoPost 9
rbort

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Good, you're getting there!
Make SURE you ENABLE stick switch on the gv-1 screen. It is disabled by default and will prevent the gv-1 from shutting off if you throttle hold unless you enable it.

Go to SWCD screen to verify this.

Throttle up in normal mode gv-1 should go on.
Throttle down, goes off.
Idle up, on all the time no matter where the throttle stick is.
Idle up 2, same.
Hit gear switch at any time, gv-1 off.
Hit throttle hold at any time, gv-1 off.

If this is what you see, then you are good to go.

-=>Raja.

MA 1005 Hanson 280, 4220 flts
Spectra 27 3DMax, 3310 flts
Whiplash V1-2 Hanson 300, 1618 flts
Whiplash V2 Hanson 300, 473 flts

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04-04-2009 01:46 AM  9 years agoPost 10
TaleGunner

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Interesting. If this is true, why would only gassers need to have a remote kill switch?
Well if I understand what he was saying they are thinking of requiring it on all of them.
But currently all large scale RC aircraft are required to have a remote kill switch some are required to have 2 receiver's, the gas RC helis have been the exception until now. I think because there weren't that many, but it seems IRCHA and the size of the turnout has changed alot of thinking.
Who knows what they will do but its an interesting idea.

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04-04-2009 01:48 AM  9 years agoPost 11
TaleGunner

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Thanks Raja

I will go double check that right now.

I want the guys at JR to know they need a few more switch programing options in the X9303.
I'm not looking forward to my first mistake from changing switch assignments.

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04-04-2009 02:05 AM  9 years agoPost 12
TaleGunner

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Raja

I just double checked SWCD

in normal mode it says off even with throttle up? wont let me change it?

Idle 1 and 2 say on and go off when gear switch is turned off.

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04-04-2009 04:58 AM  9 years agoPost 13
rbort

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You don't change it, its a monitor screen
If you throttle up it should go on. Once the throttle gets raised above 20% it goes on.

Check B/FS screen and it should show 0% at full low stick to 100% at full throttle. If not redo idle limits.

-=>Raja.

MA 1005 Hanson 280, 4220 flts
Spectra 27 3DMax, 3310 flts
Whiplash V1-2 Hanson 300, 1618 flts
Whiplash V2 Hanson 300, 473 flts

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04-04-2009 05:50 AM  9 years agoPost 14
TaleGunner

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Idle limits are set right but it still says off in normal mode?

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04-04-2009 01:13 PM  9 years agoPost 15
AceBird

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Interesting. If this is true, why would only gassers need to have a remote kill switch?
To keep it simple. It is the magneto that is the problem. Once the engine fires once it can continue because the spark is supplied by a mag. EI engines do not do this. They have a natural kill switch. Glow engines will not start without an igniter.

Ace
What could be more fun?

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04-04-2009 01:27 PM  9 years agoPost 16
smallplanes

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If you hook the black wire coming from the coil up to a switch and flip the switch it will ground out the motor. Is this the type switch you are trying to get working? Do you have a link to where the kill switches are sold?

Thanks


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04-04-2009 01:36 PM  9 years agoPost 17
copperclad

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Hi smallplanes
he is talking about a remote kill switch , it plugs into a spare channel on the TX , they are available from a number of suppliers , for example the picoswitch , HTH

http://www.dimensionengineering.com/PicoSwitch.htm

here is a link to the rckillswitch
http://www.rckillswitch.com./

and a link to a recent thread on the subject
http://www.runryder.com/t500140p1/

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04-04-2009 01:52 PM  9 years agoPost 18
smallplanes

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O ok i've never seen one, i might get one for mine.

Thanks for the links. Witch one do you recommend?


Spectra G 26cc
Jewel
Bat 27cc
Trex 700<br

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04-04-2009 01:58 PM  9 years agoPost 19
copperclad

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hi
it depends on the engine and ignition system you use

and for me the important thing is that it is setup to kill the engine with lose of RX power

this lets you kill the engine with a flip of a switch on your TX AND if power to the RX is lost , the engine will be cut automatically

i have been running the picoswitches for a while and like them , they will work stock on a Electronic Ignition engine , and with a modification , they will work on magneto engines

you will find that other makes will work stock on a magneto engine , and this may be easier for your setup

HTH

PS: remember , this is a personal choice , there are arguments for both sides , some feel the remote kill is just one more system to go bad , others would never operate a gas heli without one

my experince was with a bad throttle servo , that worked fine during bench testing and then went full on when the engine was started , it is also common to hear of power switches failing , or the RX battery being thrown clear in a crash

in all these situations a properly setup remote kill , can make a big difference in the rest of your day

.

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04-04-2009 04:26 PM  9 years agoPost 20
marco

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What mod needs to be done to the pico/dimension engineering switch to get it to work on a magneto engine ?

Marc

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