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04-01-2009 04:15 PM  9 years agoPost 21
Flying Brian

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Yes but dont without a cnc machine it would be very dificult to get them perfect. you can however buy a set of CY stubs thats what I fly
I have an eagle eye...

As far as buying more product, that can't happen untill I get my roll built back up, as this stupid addiction took it all... So Im on my own here...
BTW we need to change your user name to simmin brian

So what do you think of the simm??
Only you Talgunner, only you....

I really enjoy the simm. I have 3 girls, and a wife, and they all gather around, and we have contests to see who can stay in the air longer.... Yes, I like it alot.

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04-01-2009 08:08 PM  9 years agoPost 22
Flying Brian

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I flew today, and flew well. Probly the best I have to date, and if not for the pesky wind shoving me out of my turns, and stalls, I might have been able to pull off a 540 stall. Im so close to making this manouver happen. I have found the sweet spot on the collective, allowing my heli at the top of it's stall, to just sit there long enough to pull it off. But I still can't get my head around it.

As for the flip, and or seting up for 3D, Im a long way off, as My Cyclics are at +5 &-5, and that is where I feel comfortable. Anymore pitch in the cyclics then this, is very different then what Im acustom to, so I will wait.

I have however took another 3% off in expo, so Im wheening slowly, Hmmmm, this post sounds like a D addict.

Thanks for the help so far, and Im sure I will be back soon enough, to bug some more, but Honestly, I did learn a bunch from you all today, even from Talegunner.......

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04-01-2009 08:20 PM  9 years agoPost 23
TJinGuy

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I really can't see how you could have the cyclic swash settings at 70% and only have +-5 pitch. Care to toss up a pic of your head, servo links and such? I am thinking you have your servo-swash links way far in on your servo arms. I had a Mini for a while and I seem to remember running more like 50% to get 7* of pitch.

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04-01-2009 09:10 PM  9 years agoPost 24
Flying Brian

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I am thinking you have your servo-swash links way far in on your servo arms.
Can you be more specific, as Im trying to understand..

I have all the links(lengths), set to the main directions of the minit titan....

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04-01-2009 09:23 PM  9 years agoPost 25
TJinGuy

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There are several sets of links on your Mini Titan. The lowest set is the servo-swash links. There are 3 of them, one for each servo. If these are too far in on the servo arm, they will limit travel and slow things down. Here is a pic, it is the vertical link in the center of the pic

See how that link is near vertical? That places it about 12mm from the center of the screw on the servo horn. If you move it closer to the screw then it will require more travel to get the pitch needed and that will require some high swash values.

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04-01-2009 11:39 PM  9 years agoPost 26
fenderstrat

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all good stuff here

as posted before if you want fast cyclic on a MT get the green paddles they are cheap and make a HUGE difference

also as stated before dont be so much concerned with numbers as with how the heli feels to you.mainblades, padles,servos headspeed and other things all interact for cyclic feel.just make sure you are not binding and set the heli up for your style.

but having said that 5 deg of cyclic pitch is going to make a MT flip and roll slow,a good STARTING POINT is 7-8,and go from there.once you find what you like its good to actually measure,then you can put the head back to those settings after re-builds or crashes

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04-02-2009 12:30 AM  9 years agoPost 27
Flying Brian

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Oh, I see now!!

Yes, Im running the second hole in for sure.

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04-02-2009 01:44 AM  9 years agoPost 28
zaw

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Just a n00b here. Heli been drifting to one way or other on hovers and descends. Today I use the pitch method seen on here and when I check the ALE pitch I notice that pitch gauge is not level with fly bar at 0, adjust the linkage on swash and woah, hands off hover!

Thanks for the tip.

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04-02-2009 06:15 AM  9 years agoPost 29
TJinGuy

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Yes, Im running the second hole in for sure.
Second hole of what?

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04-02-2009 12:23 PM  9 years agoPost 30
Flying Brian

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Im sorry, Im running my swashplate main links all the way in, on the horn.

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04-02-2009 02:08 PM  9 years agoPost 31
crawfords

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paddle weight does make a differance if your heli has weights on the flybar if you want quicker responce you can do one of two things without replaceing the paddles move the weights towards the shaft will give you quicker responce and if tht is not enough then remove them ofcorse if you dont have weights then lighter paddles is the only way
as far as expo i only use expo on filght mode 0 for take off and landing and so on as far as 3d flight i dont use any expo for stunt mode 1 and two

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04-02-2009 03:51 PM  9 years agoPost 32
TJinGuy

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Im sorry, Im running my swashplate main links all the way in, on the horn.
I think this is your biggest problem if you indeed have them too far in. That not only makes the travel slow but also adds in a bunch of non-linear travel.

What servos are you using? Could I get a pic of the side of your heli?

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04-02-2009 03:58 PM  9 years agoPost 33
Flying Brian

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Im using the HS-65HB servos. Should I move the link out?

I don't have a clue on posting pictures or anything like that,,sorry.
But, I do have a webcam though, and Im sure it will do it all, but again, I don't have a clue.

I do have the exact set up, as per the main instructions, and link sizes. Hope this helps.

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04-02-2009 04:13 PM  9 years agoPost 34
TJinGuy

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On page 28 of the manual it states that the balls should be mounted 12.5mm from the center of the screw on the servo horn. With the numbers you are offering up right now, I am going to guess they are mounted about 8-9mm out. If using the the big horns then it is the second hole I believe but really you need to measure for 12.5mm. That is going to mess up all your radio swash settings but shouldn't change anything mechanically if everything was setup properly. You will just need to lower your swash numbers, I am going to guess that a value of about 45% will give you 6-7* of cyclic pitch.

What moving the ball out will do it make the servos effectively faster. In other words it will take less movement by the servo to make a change in the head. This is going to speed things up a lot. It is also going to give you a lot more travel capability.

Make sense?

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04-02-2009 04:26 PM  9 years agoPost 35
Flying Brian

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Oh, it definitly makes sense now. But, from the adjustment I made yesterday, bumping it up from 60% to 70%, was a huge difference in my cyclics. I noticed the elevator control was extremly active, as was the ALIE resonce. Maybe this is what it takes to 3D, but I really need to slow down and get used to it again.

My goal is to get real nice approaches, going from leval fast forward flying, to straight up, while preparing for the 540 stall Im wanting to learn. The flip manouver is still far off, but easy on a simulator. So no, I don't feel the transition from the sim to the feild, or Im expecting way to much.

Thanks for the help, and I will keep you updated.

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04-02-2009 04:44 PM  9 years agoPost 36
TJinGuy

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Just remember that part of advancing your skills includes a better setup heli. So just like you flying improves as you progress, so should your setup skills and understanding of how your heli works.

I would seriously recommend that you set your servo links to be as close to 12.5mm as possible. This will give you the best setup overall. You may think it flies fine right now but you are probably flying with some odd things going on that you are not aware of. Nothing is cooler than a perfectly setup heli hovering in front of you

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04-02-2009 04:48 PM  9 years agoPost 37
Flying Brian

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Your probly right!! Im going to move the balls out, and check pitch, and see what happens.

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