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04-01-2009 02:04 AM  9 years agoPost 21
darkfa8

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Brick, NJ - USA

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I worked in the custom performance auto industry and regular service industry... lots of people drive cars every day, few have any idea how they work.

some people only care to know so much, or maybe no one ever took the time to explain anything to them.

- Dan Goldstein
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04-01-2009 02:06 AM  9 years agoPost 22
JAGNZ

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lots of people drive cars every day, few have any idea how they work.
Yeah but they don't need to do a pre/post drive inspection to make sure they are safe either. If you have 0 clue how a heli works how can you do a proper pre/post flight to ensure the Model is safe??


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04-01-2009 02:12 AM  9 years agoPost 23
darkfa8

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you should make sure your tires aren't bald, are inflated properly, your lights and mirrors are working and/or intact, make sure your brakes work....list goes on....

maybe you wouldn't be surprised, but I've had a customer come into the shop with no brakes, as in no front pads in the calipers and they were just driving around, she didn't get it fixed and instead decided to drive back home some 20 miles... I wouldn't want any of my family on the road with that person.

i goto the supermarket and glance at people's tires (bad habit), and many people are out there driving with damn near bald or dry rotted tires... if the tires are crap then the condition of the rest of the car is irrelavent.

I had a customer who did their own flat repair on the vehicle by wrapping the tire in duct tape... no it didn't work and while it was hilarious, it was also pretty damn scary what people will do with no regaurd for the safety of other people.

If people took a 1/4 of enough time as some people from the hobby world take to check their models to check their vehicle to insure it was safe a lot less people would get hurt.

this isn't meant to be a auto-owner bash, but just making a point. You don't always have to know how or why a machine works to operate it.

- Dan Goldstein
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04-01-2009 02:24 AM  9 years agoPost 24
wthford

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Monticello, Illinois

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+1 for if you can't build it, you shouldn't fly it...

How can I soar with the Eagles when I work with turkeys??

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04-01-2009 02:28 AM  9 years agoPost 25
bmapope

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TN

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i have been so fortunate to have a guy who set up my first 600n (and taught me along with the lhs guy) that made sure i knew and understood all aspects of what was going on. i would have never stayed in this hobby without having multiple fellas at the field who are willing to mentor those whom are receptive to learning. thanks guys

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04-01-2009 02:31 AM  9 years agoPost 26
DarkSide41

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Agreed. Some can do the latest and greatest 3D moves but at the same time can't understand how an airfoil generates lift.
Tell me about it. That gets me more than someone not knowing how to repair the thing. They do not even understand how a helicopter flies in the first place ! I think it is the Playstation generation,they simply learned stick inputs and discovered if they move this stick up while they swirl the other one the heli will do this ..

" The biggest threat to our freedom is not from foreign terrorist , but domestic morons"

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04-01-2009 02:37 AM  9 years agoPost 27
wthford

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IMO there should be no such thing as an ARF helicopter.... My first few were kits. NOTHING put together. By the time I got done building, and that included weighting, covering, and balancing blades, I had a pretty good idea what I was up against... not to mention all the studying I did before hand to know as much as possible BEFORE I even spooled it up. It's too easy now. All you have to have is the cash. No skill needed.

If you build a Rotorway helicopter and you want to get it rated, you have to be able to prove you built it, and know every tool needed to build it....

Log books for radio control?? Another topic.

My opinions. Everybody has em. Particularly on RR!!

How can I soar with the Eagles when I work with turkeys??

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04-01-2009 02:40 AM  9 years agoPost 28
Steff Giguere

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I can do everything except tune the motor, I don't know much about motors therefore I get help for this part.

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04-01-2009 02:52 AM  9 years agoPost 29
wthford

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That's great man!! You're a step ahead of many. Knowledge is key to success in this hobby. I am convinced. Experience is key as well. If you don't have it... lean on somebody that does. You'll understand it eventually. It's like hanging out at the barber shop... eventually you will get your hair cut.

How can I soar with the Eagles when I work with turkeys??

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04-01-2009 03:21 AM  9 years agoPost 30
Raffy

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We need a school for this hobby!

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04-01-2009 03:44 AM  9 years agoPost 31
wthford

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I wasn't going to be the first to say it, but since you said it... +1 here....

How can I soar with the Eagles when I work with turkeys??

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04-01-2009 05:30 AM  9 years agoPost 32
Machinehead01

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In this fast paced world we live in many don't take the time or consider much else beyond the act of flying the heli. I wouldn't be to surpized if it's these same said people that would be the first to commit an unsafe act at the field as well. Without the knowledge of how it works and what the control interactions are doing, how can you expect them to have their mind on the safety aspect as well. I have seen alot of supposed experienced pilots set their bird out,start it and lift into flight without ever doing a range check. When asked the usual response is"it's good, I just took it off the charger". How scary is that??!! I usually watch them fly from the safety of my car!

Thomas

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04-01-2009 05:41 AM  9 years agoPost 33
TJinGuy

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I mostly fly a 450 but have several other birds both plane and heli. And I am guilty of never doing a range test with my FASST radio. With over 600 flights logged I have never once had any kind of radio problem. I just have a lot of faith in my Futaba equipment as well as my receiver installs. Seems to work for me. So does that make me unsafe? Should I stay away from the field then?

But at least I know what a range check is and even how to do one

- Chris

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04-01-2009 05:57 AM  9 years agoPost 34
cstoneman

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People are going to be who they are, but in this hobby you sure are going to have a problem flying well, if you haven't learned how to do proper setup and maintainance.

Beyond that, some folks out there are down right dangerous.

I don't know about you, but I am not real fond of an out of balance .90 vibrating anywhere near me.

From the safety standpoint, I don't think ranting about some of these folks is out of line.

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04-01-2009 06:03 AM  9 years agoPost 35
JAGNZ

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I can do everything except tune the motor, I don't know much about motors therefore I get help for this part.
Have someone experienced show you how! Most engines are quite easily tuned once you know what to look/listen for.

I helped someone new at the field the other day with his Hyper 50. It was running like a pig so I offered to give him a hand. Within a few minutes it was singing (I also explained to him how I did it)! He was only adjusting the main Needle valve for Idle and High end.

Help in this Hobby is invaluable.


Jason Greenwood

www.3dheli.co.nz

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04-01-2009 06:14 AM  9 years agoPost 36
Machinehead01

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I guess thats up to you...
But Ive been doing the rc thing long enough to never say never. Back when I raced 1/4 scale cars I saw my share of people to model accidents and the damage they caused, to just realize that when someone else may be involved it's just not wise to take chances. Granted no 2000 rpm head speeds there, but the visual of seeing a 25 pound car slam into a leg at 50 mph plus is just about as bad. The one fellow I remember in particular got his ankle crushed and had to have the ligiments in his knees reattached. He also suffered from a concussion as the car completely knocked him off his feet and he landed back of the head first. This from somebody who DIDN'T range check. To me, safety should be first and formost the main thought of anybody operating in the 3d realm of the sky. Your heli can go anywhere it wants to if you should lose connection.

Thomas

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04-01-2009 06:36 AM  9 years agoPost 37
FlytilyaDrop

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Ive had a great time reading this and was hurt by some words and inspired by some as well.
This is a hobby comes in many shapes and sizes some dumb some smart when I first got started I had some guys that went out of their way to help me get set up and I will never forget them, you can tell when someone is genuine being thankful for the help one gives to teach in this hobby.
Its up to the experts to help the non experts understand, we who know represent this hobby in many forms many depend on us to do our part to get items in this hobby sold, all the way up to the person who makes the items for this hobby all the way down to the person who makes the bolts and washers.

I feel a person should spend time on a sim no less than couple months before he buys a heli and if your a friend you should help in you want to make sure they know how to fly, yes they should build their own heli if its their first.
I feel that the persons being talked about in this thread are the ones who dont care to do the right thing, we are all wasting time talking about them, any field they go fly in they should be asked to leave if they are putting themselves or others in danger.
Point to be told, I met the man who runs the field where I want to start flying at, nice small area he told me I first had to attend two meetings before I was allowed to fly with them at the field, they want to make sure I knew my stuff I respected him for that, now I really want to fly with them.
We all can help one another, stop when we know we are wasting our time if they show they dont understand.

This hobby sucks, when your not flying.

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04-01-2009 06:41 AM  9 years agoPost 38
Machinehead01

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Biglahou
Amen to that +1.

Thomas

"You judge according to the flesh; I am not judging anyone."

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04-01-2009 07:43 AM  9 years agoPost 39
TOSH

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Maybe it should be compulsory to start this hobby with a Concept DX. After three months you would be on first name terms with every part. Give them a Webra engine and an old CSM gyro to tune and setup, That would sort the men from the boys.

Flybars. Who needs `em.

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04-01-2009 01:33 PM  9 years agoPost 40
TachyonDriver

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Giulty as charged for not doing a range check EVERY time I go fly. Notwithstanding that however, how many check control surface movement before spooling up? I do, before I crank that starter, or switch off throttle hold on the electric.

Also guilty of NOT wanting to build my first nitro heli:- I bought used, but it was from my LHS and they set it up AND I saw it hovering around. They'd inhibited idle up, and used a tame normal throttle curve. A good thing IMHO. I was told to read up and try to understand such things. At least then I wouldn't flick the switch, go WHOOPS ARRRGH as the heli tried to kill me

The first crash I gave it back to the shop. I did have an idea about what needed replacing, but seeing as I'd trashed the heli I wanted an experienced assessment.
The latest crash, I gave it the shop again, due to me NOT wanting to take up my time, even though, I knew what needed doing. (Their labour rates are VERY good!)

I reckon you need a little mechanical setup knowledge in this hobby; it might, just might with a slim chance (very slim) save the bird in a crash because you know what's broken. Also how can you tweak the setup at the field if you have to take the heli back to the shop every time? That kind of wastes the whole session if you decide it's not quite flying to your tastes on the first flight of the day.

Tach.

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