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03-31-2009 09:51 PM  9 years agoPost 1
TJinGuy

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How do some do this hobby with so little understanding of how their heli works?

(this rant is targeted at the folks that have been flying for a while, even years in some cases, not new pilots)

I have met a few folks and read about many guys that seriously have no idea how anything on their heli works. For some it is just a portion but for others it is the entire bird. Seeing people respond with "I need to take it by the LHS to have them adjust it" worries me. More than that it bugs me. How can they not know? I am a firm believer in if you are going to do it, do it right and do it 100%. A big part of that is understanding the heli both in how it works and how it got that way. Sure knowing how to fly is a big part of the hobby or challenge or objective or whatever you want to call rc helis but there is so much more to know. Like understanding how the heli works, how to set it up and how to troubleshoot it. This also goes for engine tuning, electrical setup, batteries & chargers and even field rules & etiquette.

Now I am not expecting anyone to know everything but I think they should at least know enough to tear down their bird and build it back up, set it up and adjust it to fly like they want. Otherwise how will they ever rebuild after a crash? Or know if there is a problem and how to fix it? Besides it is not that hard with a manual and some basic tools.

So am I way way off base here or is this a general belief?

- Chris

Team New Mexico
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03-31-2009 10:04 PM  9 years agoPost 2
Wingman77

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yea I know what you mean, I know one guy that has been flying helis for a long time and every time he has a problem he comes over and begs me for help cause he dosent know $h!t about it.

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03-31-2009 10:10 PM  9 years agoPost 3
twistedrcpilot

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With more and more rtf's on the shelf, it's only going to get worse.

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03-31-2009 10:13 PM  9 years agoPost 4
Swoop

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Agreed. I enjoy knowing/learning how each and every part works in unison. It feels good knowing that I can handle any problem that shows up after only a small temper tantrum over not being able to fly.

I'm actually getting ready to pull the backplate off the hyper after hearing the (too familiar) sound of marbles rolling around in the case shortly after spooling up on lunchbreak today.

Chris
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03-31-2009 10:13 PM  9 years agoPost 5
reddragon

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Agreed. Some can do the latest and greatest 3D moves but at the same time can't understand how an airfoil generates lift.
Besides it is not that hard with a manual and some basic tools.
Manual? What is a manual? Do a poll to see how many actually READ the manual despite being told to do so when you OPEN the box. Good Post with some valid points.

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03-31-2009 10:16 PM  9 years agoPost 6
TaleGunner

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Deer Park WA

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Although I agree for the most part in the fact that I think people should know more than they do.
The fact is, some are not mechanically inclined and will never get it . That doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to fly.
If we subscribed to your ideals 100% that means you cant drive a car without knowing how to fix it. If a person who just doesn't get it but wants to fly finds someone to help him them is really no different than you taking your car to a mechanic

That is if you take your car to a mechanic I know how to fix my car and still take it to a shop cuz I spend too much time working on my helis

CRASH! GLUE! REPEAT!
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03-31-2009 10:24 PM  9 years agoPost 7
TJinGuy

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If we subscribed to your ideals 100% that means you cant drive a car without knowing how to fix it.
I fix my own car, bike, house, toaster, vacuum cleaner, and anything else I own if I can. That said by comparison there is much less to benefit from understanding how a car works while you drive it. Just add gas and stop it by the dealer twice a year and the car will actually work very well. Not the same for helis. They need constant attention and maintenance in order to fly well and when you crash? Not like you crash your car once a week and have a pile of parts at home ready to fix it

- Chris

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03-31-2009 10:25 PM  9 years agoPost 8
JetFire

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Its apparent that you don't need to know how to build one to fly one. I think allot of people are intimidated about it. Similar to allot of women driving cars but has no clue what a radiator is. No point intended ladies. However, I Agree entirely on your thread. I for one, enjoy everything about this hobby from building it up to tearing it down to smelling nitro fuel in the morning. Its my coffee.


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03-31-2009 10:31 PM  9 years agoPost 9
USNAviationjay

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Oh don't even go there..

If by this reasoning if you fly a real F/A-18 Hornet you should be able to repair it?

Or a car? or a computer (don't even get me started on dumb &^&*%$ computer users.)

yeh.. with todays person being busier than ever before time is at a premium and I fully understand why people take up this mentallity.
and hey.. it provides jobs for those that do know.

Like myself and the dumb&$%#@ computer users.. god.. I hate my job..
And I'm a "corporate network administrator" more like overglorified helpdesk/desktop tech these days.
you'd think by the time people have been working for 5+ years they would know how to work windows and office.

People are lazy.. people just want to fly.. drive.. compute.. etc..

let the poor service guy fix my issues.

Now I agree with the OP.. but sorry these days that just doesn't seem to be the norm.
no one wants to learn to help themselves and read.
I'm sure my LHS is happy of this fact though.
But if you think Helis have it bad.. look at the RC car guys. they don't seem to want to do ANYTHING on their machines. they take them in for routine stuff.

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03-31-2009 10:35 PM  9 years agoPost 10
TaleGunner

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I too agree as I said. take a look at my shop http://runryder.com/gallery/63652/?...n_Bear_Pig_Cave I try and fix everything. Except my car I just take it too the shop cuz I don't want too do it.

But I have several friends who without me would not/could not fly because they just don't get it, but they are good pilots. I myself would not be back into helis without Armsmaster ether. I gave up on helis in 1980 when I tried a super mantis. since the car thing didn't work for you maybe the car race team thing will, most drivers cant change a spark plug some can but that doesn't take away from there ability to drive.

Anyhow good thread makes ya think.

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03-31-2009 10:40 PM  9 years agoPost 11
zaw

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Lebanon, NH - USA

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I have pretty good Mechanical/Technical knowledge, tiny bit of Physics and electronics. This hobby use all that which is why I love it. Always been DIY on a lot things, never call a service man type of person. I still do thing wrong way and learn a lot from it.

If fix everything around here, cars, tv's, satellites, computers, refrigerators, oven's, dryer. I know my washer was under warranty but part only cost $40 and I can fix it my self so I do it my self! When something is working good it seem like I break it so I can fix it.

Time to fix the heli.
good night.

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03-31-2009 10:59 PM  9 years agoPost 12
JAGNZ

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Auckland, New Zealand

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I was very lucky myself. The guy that taught me helis gave me a reading list when I started. I read books on how to fly fullsize helis so I knew how/why they do what they do. I also read Ray's fine book too. These gave me an in depth knowledge of helis that many do not have.

I was also taught safety, pre/post flights, field etiquette etc. If you train someone up, try and get them to appreciate all aspects of the hobby and not just how to fly...THAT is the best thing you can pass on.

I was fortunate in that I am mechanically inclined so I wanted to know these things before I flew anyway. Plus I didn't want to kill myself or anyone else out of pure ignorance either!


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04-01-2009 12:27 AM  9 years agoPost 13
Rafael23cc

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Junction City, KS

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Seeing people respond with "I need to take it by the LHS to have them adjust it" worries me. More than that it bugs me.
It is my experience that those people don't last too long in the hobby. They either learn or they fade away. Unless they have really deep wallets. I know at least one with a really deep wallet, and he has learned quite a bit in the last few years.

For those of you generalizing about learning to fix a car or an airplane to be able to operate it..

GET REAL, we are not talking about that. we are talking about simple mechanical skills like bolting / unbolting parts and setting up a heli for correct flight. It is not that hard.

Rafael

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04-01-2009 12:36 AM  9 years agoPost 14
A. Bundy

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For the most part the no knowledge/no fixer guys come in throwing money around and next thing you know they are gone.

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04-01-2009 12:45 AM  9 years agoPost 15
Gyronut

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Martinsville In.

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I am surrounded by many "Monkey See Monkey Do" types in my area and personally can't wait till they're gone.

Rick

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04-01-2009 12:47 AM  9 years agoPost 16
TJinGuy

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Socorro, NM - USA

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I have flown with a guys a couple times that flies a 50 that at least on the surface seems like he has no idea how the heli works. One time he was having some issues, I don't know what cause I was doing other things, but he got the help of one of his friends to level re-setup the head and reset his pitches. After that I started watching him and his lack of knowledge because more and more apparent. At one point I casually asked how long he has been flying. He replied 2.5 years! That was right after I watched him try his hand at some piroflips.

- Chris

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04-01-2009 12:47 AM  9 years agoPost 17
Cope

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This is something I joke about a lot! Some times i wish I did NOT know how to fix things. Life would be so much easier to just drop off what ever is broken, call the repair man.

A good example is my sister, She couldn't fix a hole in a piece of paper with a roll of tape.

It seems so easy to just pay someone to fix it. Myself, I can fix any thing..

But man, Sometimes I wish I couldn't

The "greaser gene" is a curse

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04-01-2009 01:15 AM  9 years agoPost 18
Cheech91060

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Aberdeen, MD

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Its all about perspective. I'm sure there are some that would bitch if you didn't scratchbuild your heli. Do whats fun for you and let others do the same.

Frank
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04-01-2009 01:21 AM  9 years agoPost 19
imnxtc

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Good thread...I am one of those who has always had to know everything I can about any hobby I ever got into - from R/C to full scale aviation, and I do enjoy getting my hands dirty, so to speak. But I do not expect others to be as curious as I am.

But I certainly can understand, in todays "instant" world, the mindset of "let me fly" the rest can be left to others, and I am willing to accept that.

What bugs the beejesus out of me, is some of these people who pump what they have, when they obviously know little about it & have had no experience with much else, how would they know there is not something better??....or knock something else, which they have no (or little) real hands on knowledge of.

For example, someone who pimps the heck out of a heli for months, then comes on and proudly toots the fact that he had it up for the first time that day!!! Or the other who does the same, and a year or so later, proudly anounces he has done his first loop with it!!!

Just as irritating, are others that claim something was a POS...when you have seen them at your own field or events or seen them in different forums, having problems with the unit because they were not setting it up properly!!!

I call it the "Al Bundy Syndrome"

It has been and will always be with us. So I have taught myself to ignore them and let others be their willing or unwilling servants.

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04-01-2009 02:01 AM  9 years agoPost 20
Cowjock

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I truely believe if you fly these crazy things, you should try and have some understanding of how they work. Like was mentioned else where in this thread, these machines need attention.

Damn that ground is hard! When's the right time to get out of this money sucking hobby?

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