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03-31-2009 05:40 PM  9 years agoPost 1
piranhafreak

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Just wondering is there anyway i can tone this setup down by adjusting setting to calm it down for a beginer here what i have !!

Beam e4 kit
scorpion 2221-6 motor
scorpion v2 60amp esc
3 Hitec HS-5065MG digital metal gear servos
Logictech LTG-2100T Gyro or also have jr g7703d gyro
Logictech LTS-3100G digital tail servo
Thunder Power 325 Carbon Main Blades
OUTRAGE XP25 3S1P 11.1V 2200mAH 25C XTREME POWER SERIES
spectrum Ar7000 rx
spectrum dx7 tx

this is what i have to work with !!

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03-31-2009 05:46 PM  9 years agoPost 2
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I would save that motor and get a HK-2221-8.

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03-31-2009 05:49 PM  9 years agoPost 3
piranhafreak

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so the motor is the only thing that might be a problem ?

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03-31-2009 05:58 PM  9 years agoPost 4
Heli 770

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What you have now is a great 3D setup. I would with the -8 motor because the best way to reduce head speed on the -6 is with a smaller pinion gear and you won't find one small enough to get what you need.

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03-31-2009 06:06 PM  9 years agoPost 5
piranhafreak

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ok just ordered the 2221-8 from helidirect !!!! any suggestions on weather i should use the jr or logitech gyro

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03-31-2009 07:17 PM  9 years agoPost 6
Heli 770

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Since you have the 3100G servo, I would use the 2100T.

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03-31-2009 07:40 PM  9 years agoPost 7
piranhafreak

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ok sounds good anyone have a cheat sheet to get my dx7 setup or get me in the right direction this will also be my first heli i ever programed too or would that throw me off from the get go i have watched a bunch of finless videos so i have and idea sota Yep i know im doomed!!!

Mabey one day i will actually land one of these things !!

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03-31-2009 07:52 PM  9 years agoPost 8
Heli 770

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I would set it up just like your manual tells you to for a beginner. It has the percentages for the Tx. in there with head speed.

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03-31-2009 08:40 PM  9 years agoPost 9
Sonic88

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Honestly, if this is first heli you have setup, the 2100T might be tricky. It must be set up solid in rate mode for the HH to work correctly. I would go for a GY401. These things practically set themselves up. Very user friendly. Also, I agree with the motor. The 6 is too much and will kill your flight times. I am flying the 8 with an 11tooth pinion and it works great. I may bump my pinion up to a 12 soon to get some more HS, but right now it works great with plenty of pop. Good luck!

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03-31-2009 09:06 PM  9 years agoPost 10
piranhafreak

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what do u mean that it must be setup solid in rate mode?? also would i be better using the jr g770 instead then ?

i have watched one of the videos for the 2100t and they are setting up by moving the servo on the boom you cant do that with this heli as its mounted to the frame ?

Mabey one day i will actually land one of these things !!

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03-31-2009 09:20 PM  9 years agoPost 11
Heli 770

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When you have a frame mount tail servo you will be doing the same thing buy adjusting the ball links in or out. It just takes longer to do.

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03-31-2009 09:24 PM  9 years agoPost 12
piranhafreak

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yeah true i have no problem taking my time will i really enjoy building these things just this will be my first i have trimmed out !!!

Mabey one day i will actually land one of these things !!

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03-31-2009 10:17 PM  9 years agoPost 13
Big Fil

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If this is for a beginner take the TP blades off and run woodies.

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03-31-2009 10:36 PM  9 years agoPost 14
piranhafreak

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I did just order some align woodies i dont really have a problem hovering and slow foward flight and even know i have no business doing but some inverted at high alltitude i can fly a blade cp ok so this should be easier !! we will see i guess !!

Mabey one day i will actually land one of these things !!

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04-01-2009 03:07 AM  9 years agoPost 15
jamesppp

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Put the 2221-8 motor on w/ an 11t pinion and take your time and be careful. Ill post a link with a good LT 2100 setup if you want. Personally I like the JR 7703D a lot better but it sets up differently than a 401 too and I cant help you much with that because I use Futaba Faast radios.

Yes the tail servo mounts on the boom. I would get an upgrade aluminum mount if you have time because the plastic one is , well, it doesnt seem to meet the general quality of the rest of the Beam parts

Lt 2100 info: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=942724

You are right, not a lot of action on the Beam threads but there also isnt a blue million of them out there. They are good liyyle helis. I dont fly mine much because Im getting kind of old and I am more comfortable with my 550 and 620 helis..but the Beam is a sweet little ship and parts are available for order at lots of places .
Good luck,

Jimmy

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04-01-2009 03:27 AM  9 years agoPost 16
Sonic88

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+1 on the metal tail servo mount. The stock one is made for smaller servo and if you use for instance a Futaba s9257 the stock mount will work, but it only has one hole and IMO I dont think it would be very solid. Here is the mount I use and it works great.

http://www.advantagehobby.com/produ...88&cat=0&page=1

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04-01-2009 04:08 AM  9 years agoPost 17
piranhafreak

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so what size servo is the kti ment for ? a micro servo like then hs65mg? im sorry i havent recived my kit yet so i dont know first hand

Mabey one day i will actually land one of these things !!

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04-02-2009 01:21 AM  9 years agoPost 18
supra6

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The 3100 will fit on the stock mounts, however I replaced mine with metal, they are easier to slide on the boom for adjustment, the stock ones are hard to line up.
The -8 with 11 or 12 tooth should be good and maybe a bit of EXPO in the TX to tame down the sticks around the center. If it's still to touchy perhaps a set of flybar weights or the programable flybar paddles but you'll be getting rid of both as you get better.
Keep in mind you have gotten yourself a real 3d machine so the responsiveness has been designed into it.
-8 with 12 tooth should give you in the area of 2800rpm at the rotor so if you drop down to 11t you can run the align woodies for learning, think of them as sacraficial, most use 325's but I would try the 335's will be a bit more stable and bring down the headspeed a bit. You'll have to sand down the grip ends on the blades to get them to fit, do it slowly and leave the plastic parts on, evenly on both sides.
SIM time if you have it, sim crashes are cheaper.
Also you do not have to start with max pitch deflections on the setup, maybe limit it to +/- 9 in idel up and then for normal mde set your low ( 0 collective position) to about -3 (done in the pitch curve for normal menu)this will help to prevent throwing the heli into the ground when the panic strikes, leard the position of the throttle hold switch, saves money.

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04-25-2009 08:45 AM  9 years agoPost 19
OKflyer

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FYI, the 3100G won't work with other gyros, it is only used for the 2100T. I tried to use the 3100G with a 401, and it was not compatable. Although, you can use any servo with the 2100T Gyro. I have the 2100 and 3100 on a Trex 450 and I love it. Once you figure out the setup it is a cake walk. Feel free to ask if you have set up questions.

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04-29-2009 01:01 PM  9 years agoPost 20
mmc205

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I'd go with teh -8 motor with 11 T pinion, 80-75-70-75-80 throttle curve. 10 percent aileron/elevator to throttle mixing. use the servo arm distance in the book and about 75% swash mix on cyclic. pitc curve -5 -2.5 0 5 10 for normal and -10 -5 0 5 10 for idle 1 and idle 2. reduce your dual rates on idle 1 to 50% on aileron/elavator and 60% on rudder, no expo and 65% aileron/elevator and 65% on rudder with 20% expo on idle 2 cyclic.
these will feel pretty good to start out. if they feel a bit touchy yet, just keep reducing the dual rates until you feel comfortable.

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