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04-01-2009 07:24 PM  9 years agoPost 61
Altrex

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to concho
not trying to boast about the frenzy, but my report so far is that i am impressed with a lot about the frenzy. overall, i think it will be a very good heli for the price, but there are definately a few areas that i wish were done differently. i will be building a pantera next so, i can let you my opinion on that as well.

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04-01-2009 07:36 PM  9 years agoPost 62
cstoneman

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No you don't fly GLOCKS around, though I think some anti-gun people think guns just fly around and shoot people on their own.

But then a GLOCK probably could take an impact of 75mph into the ground. I won't try myself.

There is nothing wrong with saving weight, and nothing wrong with carbon fiber.

The Pantera is a bit heavier due to the frame, bigger bearings, a bigger hub, and clutch. In some manuvuers heavier isn't good, in the FC3 box, it is good. Power overcomes all weight issues, and if the first Pantera pleases me, the second will have a .70 OS.

My first concern is quality, before material. There are some metal upgrades out there that are junk. There are major players, that use carbon fiber and metal, but the materials are not very good.

Everyone knows JR uses quality material, so I can't use it as an example, but there are other brands, that aren't so hot.

My point, is that I prefer a plastic kit with quality, to a kit with poor components, even if it has lots of metal and carbon.

You just can't say that a bird is poor because of plastic, anymore then a bird is good, just because of metal and carbon.

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04-01-2009 09:25 PM  9 years agoPost 63
MartyH

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Oooooohhhhh, you're going to pay for THAT comment. John doesnt like it when people say the Pantera is heavy! I hope he has a "cut & paste" response for that by now.

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04-01-2009 09:46 PM  9 years agoPost 64
cstoneman

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It isn't more then a few ozs, but it is heavier.

Since some are concerned with nanograms, we have to be honest.

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04-01-2009 10:13 PM  9 years agoPost 65
jweitsjr

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I think for the money, you can't beat the affordability, durability, and innovations offered on the Pantera. It so versatile, 50-90 size engine, novice to 3D, and is designed to acccomodate scale if you so desire. How can you go wrong for the money!

Too soon old, Too late smart

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04-01-2009 10:21 PM  9 years agoPost 66
VooDooX

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johns response to the weight issue is overdue where is he with his cut and paste with built in advertisement 4 paragraphs long and going on about other stuff not even mentioned like how 9 outta 10 eskimos prefer the pantera no offense to eskimos i honestly think all these other screen names are his and he is just asking questions about pantera in main forum to get free advertising smart... maybe runryder should log ips to check if he is scamming RR time to email mark! Note the OP has 2 posts total... im too smart for you john !!!

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04-01-2009 10:32 PM  9 years agoPost 67
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I've received a few emails and PMs asking why I've stayed out of this thread. Frankly, I thought our website offer said it all but allow me to explain further.

I've been self-employed in the hobby business since 1993 so we know what to do during recesssions, e.g. cut expenses and hunker down. Since this isn't our first dance, we recognized the signs early and took immediate action. Consequently, we're well positioned to take advantage of a once in a lifetime opportunity to gain market share.

On the expense front (as RR regulars will recall), because nobody likes to be surprised, last year I let folks know I was cutting back the advertising budget and explained why. Moreover, I've also cut back on travel - plus we don't pay people to fly our machines. We've also put some product development plans, like our Wildcat 450, on indefinite hold. In short, we're at our fighting weight. Why is this important? If I may paraphrase Carl von Clausewitz when he compared business to war, it's so I can take my best shot at the big guys.

For example, our two biggest competitors in the plastic model arena are Thunder Tiger and Hirobo. They're working like mad to update their designs for 2009, which like our Pantera, feature advanced polymer injection-molded construction. Sad for them, it's Spring and they're late. It's the worst possible time too, e.g. their existing product is long in tooth, it's expensive to borrow for funding development, and the economic downturn has folks watching their wallets.

Make no mistake, my Oriental competitors are far bigger than us but this is an opportunity to apply pressure. Pressure comes in the form of Panteras for $200, which is rather risky. Moreover, the audacity of offering another for 50% off makes it a smokin' deal, which kicks the pressure up another notch.

Meanwhile, intelligence on their upcoming machines is such that if this were a poker, I like my hand better than theirs, so they're between a rock and a hard spot. I know it, they know it and because folks aren't stupid . . . I'm betting the house we can pull it off. Have you ever been in a bar fight? It's every man for himself, there's nothing fair about it, and if the big guy slips, you kick him in the head.

I not only think my product is better because it's more innovative but when you do the math, e.g. two Panteras vs. one Titan, or three Panteras 'and' a Hyper for $10 more than a Vibe it's obvious we're out for blood.

Ultimately, just as the Raptor for $249 changed the landscape in 1998 (when Shuttle ZXs were $449 and Concepts were $429), I'm trusting folks to look out for their best interests, e.g. we respect your beer money!


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04-01-2009 10:33 PM  9 years agoPost 68
tacoturbo

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Cstoneman is right. What the hell is a few oz? I mean really! If your THAT good of a pilot that a few ounces makes the difference between a so-so heli and one that rocks then your a heli god. For me a heli that wieghs alittle more is good since its always breezy here. I see so many fliers out there that compare nanograms or the aerodynamic advantage of their canopy of choice that I have to wonder how good are these guys. Dang, they must fly with the likes of Szabo, youngblood or even Justin Chi. And Jay, you keep making reference to crashing at 75mph. Yeah so?! You crash at 75mph into the ground I don't care what the heli is made of it will probably be totaled or near that. Thats like saying theres a difference between crashing your car into a wall at 75mph by being in two different brands of car. You're dead either way, what's the difference?

I don't do 3D....no wait. Oh thats right, I can't do 3D!

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04-01-2009 10:34 PM  9 years agoPost 69
tacoturbo

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Hey VooDoo, thats big ba$$s you have there. You better have something to back that up....boy.

I don't do 3D....no wait. Oh thats right, I can't do 3D!

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04-01-2009 10:37 PM  9 years agoPost 70
VooDooX

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every once increases the helis tendency to NOT want to roll so yes EVERY OZ counts especially with how small these helicopters are a few ounces on a small heli is equivalent to a few lbs on a large heli and yes every bit of weight will affect performance so yes weight defiantly defiantly matters i am not saying pantera sucks nor have i every just that it doesn't look like a good 3d machine to me

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04-01-2009 10:41 PM  9 years agoPost 71
Billebob

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They're working like mad to update their designs for 2009, which like our Pantera, feature advanced polymer injection-molded construction. Sad for them, it's Spring and they're late.
Dude it's already done, likely just like your company.

BB

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04-01-2009 10:42 PM  9 years agoPost 72
tacoturbo

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VD, you must be one hell of a pilot. I'm humbled.

I don't do 3D....no wait. Oh thats right, I can't do 3D!

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04-01-2009 10:45 PM  9 years agoPost 73
VooDooX

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im no szabo but i can hold my own........

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04-01-2009 10:47 PM  9 years agoPost 74
ProModeler

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Before the conversation goes much further, allow me to interject some reality. The Raptor is one ounce lighter than a Pantera. A Sceadu is a few ounces heavier. A Vibe 50 is also slightly heavier than a Pantera. A 600N is a fair bit lighter (5 ounces) than a Pantera, but this comes at the expense of fragility.

Look, I can't speak for the all the machines on the market but we build helis for the real world and in my view, I suspect pilots who claim to feel a difference of a few ounces in a 7-8 pound machine are full of crap.


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04-01-2009 10:49 PM  9 years agoPost 75
RappyTappy

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Lol, nice post.

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04-01-2009 10:56 PM  9 years agoPost 76
tacoturbo

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VooDoo, your mommy said to go stand in the corner and hold your own....

I don't do 3D....no wait. Oh thats right, I can't do 3D!

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04-01-2009 10:58 PM  9 years agoPost 77
VooDooX

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5 ounces in a 7lb machine is 4% heavier this on a jet ranger (max takeoff) for example would be 130lbs more soooo yes 4% heavier is HUGE and taco your just jealous i can afford this hobby at my age

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04-01-2009 11:11 PM  9 years agoPost 78
jweitsjr

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The Pantera is designed for everyone, not for the special "ACE pilots". It fits more peoples bill, than other helis. A few people are going to require a High End heli, but most of us will be very happy with the Pantera.

Too soon old, Too late smart

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04-01-2009 11:33 PM  9 years agoPost 79
VooDooX

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ok u be happy with ur pantera ill be happy with my frenzy which is 10$ more and can 3D like an animal

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04-01-2009 11:39 PM  9 years agoPost 80
cstoneman

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VooDooX,

Are you like 12 years old?

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