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04-01-2009 03:17 AM  9 years agoPost 41
billm

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VooDooX
Your missing the boat. Looks like your missing the game.
It's the ship that makes the pilot most of the time. If you have a ship that will not respond to input then the pilot will suffer.
How is silicon valley now? Sounds like a rat race. Back in the day (1978) we made lighting happen every day. Go wipe your nose and fly.

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04-01-2009 03:21 AM  9 years agoPost 42
petmotel

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I just want to fly. The Pantera is a solid flier.
This is really the meat of the matter. Flying is THE thing! A solid, inexpensive design, engineered, and marketed by a heli enthusiast supporting his family in Florida makes a Pantera a win-win situation for me in these hard times. I have quite a few blinged out 50 class helis, all of which are far more capable than I, as a pilot, am.

I think I'm going to enjoy flying the Panteras more than the expensive airframes as I won't be afraid of hurting "my precious". I know one thing, I can't imagine better support! What other manufacturer would call late in the evening when you send a PM about a build issue? Somewhere between little and none.

If the concept of a well engineered, quality, tough, inexpensive airframe appeals to you I wouldn't hesitate considering one of these helis. If aesthetic considerations are the major concern, they aren't as sexy as the stacked frame, CNC birds. "Whatever blows your skirt up" as a good friend of mine likes to say.

Jay

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04-01-2009 03:24 AM  9 years agoPost 43
billm

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Jay,
Well said.

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04-01-2009 03:39 AM  9 years agoPost 44
tacoturbo

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I second that!

I don't do 3D....no wait. Oh thats right, I can't do 3D!

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04-01-2009 03:41 AM  9 years agoPost 45
brown1957

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bump that one.

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04-01-2009 03:49 AM  9 years agoPost 46
tacoturbo

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I would think cost is always a concern. If you can afford to wipe your butt with 5 dollar bills than cost is not an issue. For me if it cuts into my beer money than I'll have to figure out a way to make my cooler fly.Now hey, that would make a neat project. A flying beer cooler!

TT

I don't do 3D....no wait. Oh thats right, I can't do 3D!

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04-01-2009 03:51 AM  9 years agoPost 47
billm

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brown1957
Nice ship. Looks like it's ready to fly.
Let use know how you like it.
It's not cheep, it's a super deal. Don't you think?

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04-01-2009 03:53 AM  9 years agoPost 48
billm

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A flying beer cooler.
Never tried that one. A flying lawn mower is already in the books.

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04-01-2009 04:06 AM  9 years agoPost 49
Altrex

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beer cooler
i have a heli i dropped a six-pack out of. Here it is dropping candy at our funfly

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04-01-2009 04:45 AM  9 years agoPost 50
Machinehead01

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As was said...
The reason for the low price is to get the bird out in front of the people. I have been flying the Pantera for 2 years now and have had many crashes, some bad, some slight, but Ive never had to break my wallet or the bank to refit and fly again. There is one thing that Audacity does that other heli suppliers will be hard pressed to match, parts in days not weeks. I have had parts at my door in 2 days after a mishap, which means I'm usually flying again the next weekend. I am also one of the lucky ones the have my LHS stock Pantera parts, quite simply it's what most of us fly. It's a good solid bird! I look at some of the designs out there with their multiple linkages and think "what a mess if I were to crash it". You can knock the plastic fantastic all you want, when it comes time to open the wallet due to a crash those who know about the Pantera are the ones smiling in the end. It's just to easy a heli to maintain, repair and fly. Simplicity at it's finest!!! The design can go from the beginner to the expert and never lack.

Thomas

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04-01-2009 05:42 AM  9 years agoPost 51
cstoneman

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Keep in mind, that the plastic in the Pantera is the same stuff used in the GLOCK.

Same story in the gun forums. Same type quotes "A GLOCK is ugly Tupperware" or "I wouldn't own an ugly plastic POS".

The problem is, lots of folks with pretty $2500 1911's get their butts blown away in competition by folks with $500 plastic GLOCKS.

I know of GLOCK pistols with over 150,000 rounds through them, with no ill effect. That material isn't Mattel plastic, but a very tough polymer.

My custom 1911's are eye candy, but they don't shoot any better then my GLOCKS.

I understand the bling thing, and have no problem with it. I have a couple blinged out birds myself. But I also know that adding bling isn't going to make me fly better.

If you go and buy a certain heli, because you see someone doing some extreme 3D, and think that is going to get you there, you are just fooling yourself.

You can't buy skill, you have to practice.

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04-01-2009 07:20 AM  9 years agoPost 52
concho

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agree

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04-01-2009 07:47 AM  9 years agoPost 53
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Well said cstoneman! I've built a handful of custom 1911's myself and still own a few. Glocks, hell I wouldn't feel naked in a gunfight with one tucked in my waistband. As for heli's yes, if it can stand the rigors of a .40 or .45 cal than it s way good enough for me. So far I've been impressed with John and Lynn's service, unfortunately my radio packed it in the other day. The best part to me is that at the end of the day, the stock Pantera flies as good if not better than a heli with 500 dollars worth of add on carbon and aluminum bits and pieces. I may not be a very good heli pilot but I don't need to have the baddest, shiniest heli at the field to put a huge grin on this puss. I wanna fly!

I don't do 3D....no wait. Oh thats right, I can't do 3D!

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04-01-2009 09:01 AM  9 years agoPost 54
Ghia

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yeh I have been flyin since 97 off and on... started with a Nexus learned ok on it..Life happened..
Came back pretty hard in 2002 with 2 xcell 50's blinged out, hopped up, CF frames etc... Very nice I got cocky flying em because they felt great in the air!!

Stuffed both hard in a 1 week span to the tune of a 400$ repair bill for both... Life happened again and I was discouraged..

Now I see guys who flew the cost effective raptors back then learning..
They are ripping it up now with N9s, Stratus and totally just passed me by! They are the new hotshots while I am relearning alot of orientations I lost.

Now I fly 2 Ravens and am truely having fun flying heli and not a pair of $$ signs.

If I could sneak in 2 panteras on our budget right now I sure as hell would as it looks like a great heli!

So ya'll enjoy your CF/blinged out/$$ unicorn 50 helis. I have already been down that road, never again.

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04-01-2009 02:26 PM  9 years agoPost 55
cstoneman

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tacoturbo, not only .40 and .45, but my G20 & G29 handle hot 10mm all day long. Get a Ghost rocket disconnecter, the right springs, polish everything, and you can get a GLOCK trigger pretty good. It will never be a tuned 1911 trigger, but good enough for practical use.

Oh wait this is a heli forum.

As for the Pantera, I have 2 sitting in the box. The Rave is done, and the Pantera gets started today. I have every reason to believe that the Pantera will be a great flyer.

I like to fly, and if it flies good I will love it. If I need to look at bling, I will look at my Xcell.

Some things really don't change. Even back in the 80's there would be those that had all the fancy stuff, and would fly a tank, but spend most of the day talking about the latest stuff they added.

The rest of us low life fellows would just fly. But come competition day, they found that you didn't get points for polishing bling, it was all about flying.

I don't really care what anyone flies, and I like good stuff, but there is a $$$ limit for most of us. Fuel or bling? I'll take the fuel.

The sad thing is when someone doesn't enjoy and learn, because while they have a perfectly good heli, they feel it is not adequate, and then spend most of their time adding stuff, rather then flying.

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04-01-2009 02:27 PM  9 years agoPost 56
MartyH

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They're so inexpensive these days because the competition demands it. Marketing has artificially held some kit prices high. Align comes quickly to mind. When the Sceadu Evo 50 dropped to $249 and then in came the clones like the Vibe clone (TZ-Frenzy) at $219, what choice did John have? I like what he's been doing though. The Tiger won't be missed nor will the air filter from the Pantera. If you cant raise prices you have to reduce cost. I've always liked the online manual idea. The new Tomcat canopy looks pretty good too.

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04-01-2009 02:41 PM  9 years agoPost 57
USNAviationjay

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Well I like strong light high performance aircraft.. like I said.. and it sure doesn't stop me from flying over a gallon per day per weekend.
I fly back to back to back that's why I have 3 .50s

I take all 3 with me every weekend both days to the club and I go at sunup and go home at sun down.

sometimes over a gallon and a half per weekend.
I crash and I rebuild. 250-300 bucks to crash isnt that much man.
I spent more than that on racing tires for 2 races when I raced motorcycles..
and way more than that on Drag Racing Mustangs.

I prefer the bigger brand name birds and to me yes I can feel the difference between a Raptor and a Vibe 50.

I hope anyone could.

Guns are alot different if you ask me.
I have had 4 Glocks =D and yes they are a great gun. but you arn't flying a gun and crashing it into the ground at 75mph.

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04-01-2009 03:36 PM  9 years agoPost 58
Machinehead01

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Beg to differ...
I think 250/300 is decent chunk of money! I can have a new kit sent to the door with shipping covered for the 300.00. Alot of people here are buget minded and they should be, the economic future demands it. Look, studies show that when things start getting tight, one of the last things we as a people cut back on is entertainment. Some don't have that house on the hill or the benz in the driveway, but they still will spend more to keep their minds off of their troubles, just keep the world at bay for awhile until they have to deal with it again. What John offers here is the "CAKE",the one you've been told that you can't have and eat it too. No disrespect Aviation, but I looked at your profile and have done some of your other hobbies as well(drag racing mustangs), I know how much money you poured into that! It's not for the weak of heart or wallet. When the wolf comes to the door, what will you give up, and what will you keep? It's easier to justify a good machine with a low price tag, then it is to say a blinged machine with a tag so high you can't afford it or buy parts should you "God forbid" crash it. Just good economic sense if you ask me. Besides, with the money I saved on the Pantera, I bought the higher end servos and a Skookum FBL.

Thomas

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04-01-2009 04:07 PM  9 years agoPost 59
concho

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frenzy a new cheap model
every thing that glitter is not necessary made of gold

time will tell us if the frenzy is a good deal
i would not buy one right away ill wait a couple of month to see if
the cheap(in price)metal parts survive the run .

i read that the swash plate and blade grip have slop right out of the box

instead of replacing (cheap plastic parts at cheap plastic price)
you gonna end up replacing cheap metal parts at cheap metal price

i am not bashing metal upgrade my kasama head worth $250
i don't think that a model heli that worth $219 can offer the same quality

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04-01-2009 04:59 PM  9 years agoPost 60
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Yeah, kind of seeing that same thing with the Knights. Not commenting on the quality at all, just the popularity. 2nd hand Knights are almost given away now. I have a Knight 3D Pro and it is a marvel of quality but I think the hype behind them has died down.

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