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03-31-2009 03:26 PM  9 years agoPost 1
helijack31

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I've been flying model airplanes but a friend at work has a Raptor 30. He told me he wishes he'd bought a 50 and told me Heliproz has a Titan 50 for $299 but I've been poking around and I'm wondering why a Pantera is half the price of the Raptor. He says hes never heard of a Pantera and the best helicopter is a Vibe 50 but I can buy three Panteras and the engine for $10 more than one Vibe 50 and I'm not getting overtime like I used to so I don't want to spend a lot right now so this seems like such a great deal it's too good to be true but what's wrong with the Pantera and why is it so cheap.

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03-31-2009 03:35 PM  9 years agoPost 2
buzzsaw

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Are you just looking for somthing to start out with?,the pantera is a good lil entry level machine,cheap prices also.The Align 600 sport is a good one also

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03-31-2009 03:40 PM  9 years agoPost 3
gullie667

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The Pantera is cheap because plastic is CHEAP to manufacture. That and they where probably not selling at an Align 600n price point....

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03-31-2009 03:54 PM  9 years agoPost 4
red_z06

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With influx of Chinese copies and knock-offs, it is tough to stay competitive. Pantera used to sell for more. But, $199 may not be cheap enough when the Frenzy is now $220 with single stack G5/10 with full metal head.

I visited the site and it says buy one and get the 2nd at 1/2 off. Does that mean 2nd Pantera is $100? Now that is cheap.

Prices have gone down to $35 for complete Trex450 knock-off. I believe the price also included a rotor blade.

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03-31-2009 04:20 PM  9 years agoPost 5
artimus

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The question should be is why are all the other helis so expensive?

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03-31-2009 04:57 PM  9 years agoPost 6
tadawson

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The question should be is why are all the other helis so expensive?
They don't suck? There is a lot of truth to the old adage "You get what you pay for" . . . .

- Tim

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03-31-2009 05:07 PM  9 years agoPost 7
4 stroke flyer

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I can't say why they are so inexpensive but, I have flown the pantera and think it flies well.

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03-31-2009 05:07 PM  9 years agoPost 8
VooDooX

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except heli prices are highly inflated it doesn't cost ANYWHERE NEAR 1000$ or more to manufacture the parts i would say even the highest quality heli only costs around 300$ max to manufacture the most expensive parts in any heli are the bearings everything else is just stick raw materials in a cnc machine program it one time and push go which isn't that expensive plastic is actually more expensive because you have to make molds for everything and do it in large batches the bigger the batch the cheaper the heli is to make so align spends VERY LITTLE on making the actual heli prolly spend all there money in promoting case in point i used to sell Kirby vacuums all metal lexan fans all the b ling self driving motor and everything these vacuums retail around $2200 cost to produce...$212 so you don't get what you pay for you get what people will pay for it also supply and demand but with increasing supply and lessening demand due to the economy i expect heli prices to drop sharply

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03-31-2009 05:11 PM  9 years agoPost 9
dvdking

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Yes can someone tell me why heli's have to be so expensive. If they where a resonable price more people would get into the hobby.

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03-31-2009 05:14 PM  9 years agoPost 10
VooDooX

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align is gettign a little better with a almost RTF 450 pro for $575

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03-31-2009 05:28 PM  9 years agoPost 11
Cope

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While I would not mind seeing prices drop, I do get a kick out of owning a "Big expensive" heli.

I wouldn't mind having a 35.00 machine to trash. The cost dose make it interesting tho. When I see a few thousand of my hard earned dollars flying around under my control, Well it's all worth it..

You also gotta look at what will make you happy, For me it's expensive toys.

On a final note I like expensive shiny things, It makes all the hard work worth it.

I have no problem spending a few grand on a heli (When I can). I make up for it by driving to work in a five hundred dollar beater.

As far as the Pantera goes, I still kick the idea around of getting one.
Great for scale and you can fit a 90 in a 50 frame, whats not to love?

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03-31-2009 05:43 PM  9 years agoPost 12
SuperSixTwo

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The question should be is why are all the other helis so expensive
Carbon fiber, cnc parts,engineering and design, sponsorships, advertising, high labor rates.... These are what i'm thinking.

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03-31-2009 06:38 PM  9 years agoPost 13
tacoturbo

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Getting what you pay for is true...most of the time. I have some experience with Align's T600n and the 500. For my 500 which costed me 560.00 for the kit, this was before the ESP was released and I thought it was pricy. But I like the layout and it looked sharp. However I found during assembly that Align uses cheap crap hex screws. I had half the supplied screws round out going into plastic using a high grade driver. Even the linkage rods were cut too long. I had to unthread the ball ends and trim the rods to the correct length, althou too long is better than too short but still. Align cost way more than the Pantera but I'm one who does not need to impress my buddies with the bling. Yes CF sure looks pretty until it breaks, which ain't hard to do. On the other hand, I've piledrived my Mini Titan into the ground at least 5 times and I'm still flying the original plastic frames. I'm over the carbon thing, Plastic is fantastic. The sale of $199.00 for the first Pantera is a great deal, the second one for 99.00 more is insane. John is doing his part to stimulate sales by offering a screaming deal. So far I've found his personal service to be outstanding. Living way out in the middle of the pacific, that is worth more than cold hard cash to me. Either way, fly waht you like and be happy.

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03-31-2009 06:52 PM  9 years agoPost 14
USNAviationjay

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Oh dont give me that plastic is fantastic crap.
ever see what happens to plastic when you hit the ground at 70mph or in a high G maneuver.. or from 100+ feet? instant and complete destruction.
every piece gets destroyed (cracked / broken / unusable)
The only bonus is it costs less overall.

I have demolished a plastic framed/headed MT as well as my Trex 450SA with the plastic heads and tails. in average crashes.

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03-31-2009 07:45 PM  9 years agoPost 15
tacoturbo

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Oh dont give me that plastic is fantastic crap.
ever see what happens to plastic when you hit the ground at 70mph or in a high G maneuver.. or from 100+ feet? instant and complete destruction.
every piece gets destroyed (cracked / broken / unusable)
The only bonus is it costs less overall.

I have demolished a plastic framed/headed MT as well as my Trex 450SA with the plastic heads and tails. in average crashes.

What? Are you for real?! Did I say plastic was INDESTUCTABLE? No! What the hell do you think will happen to a carbon frame at 70mph, high g manuvuer or 100 feet from the air? Dust it off and fly again?! Geez man, what the heck? Yeah, it does cost a hell of alot less to replace so what. Each has it goods and bads. Just because carbon seems to be the material of choice on alot of helis does not make it better. I've seen Align carbon frames that have frayed edges or are delaminating out of the box, mine included. But I haven't seen that with any plastic frames yet. As unlikely as that is I will say that nothing is impossible nowadays. And it ain't crap.

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03-31-2009 07:51 PM  9 years agoPost 16
USNAviationjay

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Dont even bring up Aligns quality and fit and finish here..
they are the worst even worse than alot of these clone makers out there for fit and finish and quality of parts..

You have a better chance at a lighter stronger piece of CF surviving than a piece of Mattel quality plastic surviving.
That's the point.

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03-31-2009 09:17 PM  9 years agoPost 17
Billebob

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Why is it so cheap-why do you hold you backside after leaving a bathroom equipped with a 10 cent roll of toilet paper. It is what it is.

BB

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03-31-2009 09:32 PM  9 years agoPost 18
Evolusia

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USNAviationjay.

I don`t know where you get that idea. I`ve put helis in from a couple of feet and totalled them I`ve also put them in from 50 feet plus and only swapped the usual crash damaged parts. I would sooner replace some cheapo plastic parts to repair a machine that fits my ability than wrack up a bill to replace c/f and bling that I`ve convinced myself makes my heli the greatest bird around, and by association me a better pilot.

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03-31-2009 09:40 PM  9 years agoPost 19
Dood

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plastic is CHEAP to manufacture.
I'm sure if people understood the huge expenses in producing plastic molds, etc, they would take back what they say about plastic being cheap.

Granted, with fast mass production capabilities & volume of sales, the loss is eventually recuperated.

As far as durability goes, I've crashed G10 helis, carbon fiber helis, and plastic helis. The only frame which I have NOT broken is a plastic frame.

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03-31-2009 10:25 PM  9 years agoPost 20
Dood

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Wescanson

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The question should be is why are all the other helis so expensive?
I will speculate a little bit and take a stab at this one. The cost of helicopter kits comes from/ pays for:
  • R&D (both past & future)
  • manufacturing costs
  • Print advertising
  • Internet Advertising
  • Promotional giveaways (event raffles, etc)
  • 'Team Pilots' expenses[list]
  • Their kits & parts support
  • Transportation to company sponsored events
  • Room & Board at out of town events
[*]Material packaging
[*]Import taxes
[*]shipping costs
[*]customer service
[*]Distributor/ Dealer price hike
[*]Company employee salaries
[*]Other miscellaneous business expenses
[/list]

And of course,
  • A guy's gotta eat.
There are probably dozens more expenses that go into a helicopter kit, I'm sure I have no idea of what all exactly goes on.

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