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04-02-2009 08:23 PM  10 years ago
RappyTappy

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Thats cool, was wondering if the Vibe head would fit on a Rex/Raptor main shaft. Any mods or was it just bolt on?
And it still flys like a Raptor.......Ive seen it fly.
Yep, a head conversion won't cut it. Gotta get rid of the plastic frames and get CCPM, makes a huge difference without all that slop, flexing and single servo collective. Even with the stock Raptor head, converting the frames will make a huge difference.
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04-02-2009 10:07 PM  10 years ago
Gearhead

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EDITED,,
""Yup... it was me. It's awesome now""

I too have swapped heads in the past,, you can learn a lot about heads and helis that way !!

I'm not going to get into what helis what brands but they were 2 completely different heads (and brands),,
1 head had the Mixers on the Blade Grips while the other head had the Mixers on the Seesaw, both heads had plastic Grips and Plastic Mixers, both had metal Seesaws, both heads had Metal/Plastic Head Blocks,, and both flew the same Servos, Gyros, Gov and same set of blades,, both heads used their matching Swashplates and matching Paddles,,

NOTE<<
the faster head had the lightest paddles (stock paddles),,

what I found was one head did feel a bit lighter, meaning it was a bit better for tight 3D, but not much better,,
BUT in the end the biggest factor was the CG of the 2 helis !!
the heli with the higher CG felt lightest on the Cyclic which made it better for tighter 3D while the heli with the lower CG had more feel to it that made it feel more on rails,,

(stock) I like both helis for what they are, the lighter feel for the tighter stuff and the other for a more-in-control feel for zipping around doing fast basic acrobatics,,

now something else I found,,
was,, that there is a big difference between Plastic Blade Grips vs Metal Blade Grips,, I put Metal Grips on the slower head on the heli with the lowest CG and that made this heli feel lighter/quicker than the heli with the higher CG,,

in the end it's not really what heli is best, it's what heli fits your flying style, for me I don't like a super light feel on the Cyclic, yet with that I still like both my helis for what they are,,

if you simply want the best 3Ding 50 heli you probably could mix and match different brand heads with differnt brand frames and build a better 3Ding heli than you could buy in a kit, simple find the frame with the highest CG and mount a Compass head on it with Metal Grips, a 4mm Flybar would help too..
Jim
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04-02-2009 10:23 PM  10 years ago
30636086

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How about these?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=df1_1238588279
I dont suffer from mental iIlness, I actually enjoy mine!
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04-03-2009 01:50 AM  10 years ago
Sillyness

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Thats cool, was wondering if the Vibe head would fit on a Rex/Raptor main shaft. Any mods or was it just bolt on?
It was pretty much bolt-on... required just a couple tweaks.

1) You can't order a complete head... I had to buy all the parts seperately.
2) You cannot use the TRex swash... the balls on the inner swash are too far apart and they'll kill resolution.
3) If you have the new-style elevator linkage it will go right on. If you have the old style elevator you will need to get the combined ball/pin that Quick UK uses on their swashes. You can e-mail them and they'll send you one.
4) You have to use the TRex main shaft... it has the step in it. Fits perfectly... no mods.
5) You have to turn down the swash mix values about 10%... the bellcranks on the TRex are longer than the Vibe bellcranks (I have both helis).

The Wasp,

I actually had lighter paddles on the TRex head... the Vibe head with stock paddles is flipping faster than the TRex head with SuperStubz, but with precision... it doesn't get "leany" or pitchy on me like the Stubz did. If flies like a pattern plane now.

I don't think my CG changed at all... there is no way whatsoever a slight CG change can account for the difference. The precision of the new head is just unbelievable compared to the old head. You just don't have to make corrections... it's point-and-shoot, fire-and-forget. Also, I don't know how to explain this at all, but it's now much fast and pops much better than before... same exact blades.

I wish someone else with a 600E would try this mod so people don't think I'm smoking crack. I say 600E because I think the light weight is making if respond much more quickly than my glow Vibe.
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04-03-2009 05:05 AM  10 years ago
bclong211

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Plastic
Jetfire- To answer your question about the mainframe of the Pantera, yes it is plastic. But it is engineer structural plastic. There is a big difference in this and the Rappy crappy plastic. The same compound is used to manufacture Glock pistols. Strong but flexible enough to take a beating. This coupled with the breakaway front radio tray means you will probably have to try really hard to break a frame and if you do they are something like 26 bucks a pair!
I meant to do that!!!
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04-03-2009 09:24 AM  10 years ago
RappyTappyrrProfessor - Encinitas, CA -
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A 600N at the top of its game.
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04-03-2009 02:18 PM  10 years ago
Carey

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Hey I saw that flight!

Well, it is pretty obvious from the footage that if he had a Vibe 50 head on there, it would have tracked better and given him some kind of edge.

It's all about the equipment, never about the pilot.
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04-03-2009 03:21 PM  10 years ago
GScott

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Any good pilot could fly a turd and make it look good. Go back and look at Alan's Raptor 30 video. The difference is the amount of "flying" that needs to be done and the amount of constant correction needed to maintain manuevers. Just as an example the Vibe 50 and 600n can both do hurricanes and funnels and would look the same on a video. The Vibe will hold the manuever an require minimal correction where the 600n will require more. I do find it amusing that Align has basically copied the Sceadu head on their helis and not even the updated Evo head.

The 600n is a good heli for what it is but make no mistake it is not the highest quality heli out there. Parts will wear out faster then they will on a Vibe, Knight 3D, etc... You are also at the mercy of Align's QC. It also seems Align may be using a different aluminum now. More than one pilot at our club has commented on how much easier it is to bend Align aluminum parts in a crash now vs 6 or 9 months ago. Just something to think about.
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04-03-2009 03:29 PM  10 years ago
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Any good pilot could fly a turd and make it look good. Go back and look at Alan's Raptor 30 video. The difference is the amount of "flying" that needs to be done and the amount of constant correction needed to maintain manuevers.
Agree 100%. Just because any heli can do 3D in the hands of a pro does NOT mean that they all fly equally. Some fly better then others.
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04-03-2009 04:45 PM  10 years ago
Carey

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!Whoop Whoop!

!News Flash!

Some helis are better than others. More at 11.

Not sure who was arguing the opposite of that sentiment.

Why is it always about the equipment, and never about the pilot? That's my question.

At some point you have to take ownership of your skill level. Blame the hardware all you want.
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04-17-2009 05:51 PM  10 years ago
30636086

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is getting entertaining! Lol
I dont suffer from mental iIlness, I actually enjoy mine!
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04-17-2009 06:26 PM  10 years ago
LonR

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Pass the popcorn plz 600LE,OS55,OS PowerBoost pipe,Align 610's,Spartan
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04-17-2009 09:03 PM  10 years ago
HydroJoe

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is getting entertaining! Lol
Yea it was....Last month
T-Rex 450 SE V2 , T-Rex 600 NSP, Stryker F27 C....Yea, it's a plank.
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04-17-2009 09:09 PM  10 years ago
LonR

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and the month before that lol.600LE,OS55,OS PowerBoost pipe,Align 610's,Spartan
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04-17-2009 10:50 PM  10 years ago
Melon

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You all should get married.
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04-17-2009 11:42 PM  10 years ago
Eagle2bravo

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Just pick one already and fly the crap out of it!T-rex 600n super pro , Trex 450 se, Gaui 200, Trex 500, Blade cx, . "If ya plant corn, ya get c
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04-18-2009 03:27 AM  10 years ago
Ghia

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I did Pantera and Raven, a unstoppable duo!

Oh and Rappytappy, Mech mix helis doesnt equate to slop in their linkages. I have plenty of older Intrepids and MA xcells that are still tight with no slop.

In fact a feature of my Bergens is that you adjust each bellcrank which is a neat design.

Any proof that to do good 3D you have to upgrade to eCCPM, and that ya cant with mech mix??

Many cases eccpm is a downgrade.
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04-18-2009 11:27 AM  10 years ago
Billebob

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Why is it always about the equipment, and never about the pilot? That's my question.
Because some of these people are nut swingers or don't know how to set up what they already have to give it the potential the prozs require to demonstrate their skills. The prozs fly well indeed but it is the helicopter set up that allows this to happen. If they have ample or equal pitch, engine power, decent power to weight ratio, adaquate setup and a machine that won't blow apart at 2100K then the helicopters can do the same thing. People look for the magic answer in their wallet and sometimes find it but only because a factory supplied setup differs thus fitting their needs.

Granted there are exceptions like very old limited helicopter designs, several decades old still trying to make it today through gross looking clamp on servos, doublers and the like. There is crap out there for sure just as there are guys who don't set up the machine correctly for whatever reason then buy stuff looking for an answer in a box.
Any proof that to do good 3D you have to upgrade to eCCPM, and that ya cant with mech mix??
None but lots of proof that a correctly built mCCPM system can do it all but without the interaction issues associated with eCCPM. Look at the new Raptor Titan SE, look at some videos of the R90 and the R50. Nutswingers usually blame the performance demonstrated on the pilot and suggest the helicopter is still lacking. This is just what I have observed on numerous occasions over the years. How long a machine lasts under these conditions before snapping bolts or stripping main gears or even eventually blowing up might be a better question to pose.

Watch at YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8sS7ifHe8w
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04-18-2009 01:49 PM  10 years ago
cub2000

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Hey guys,

Screws Trex-600N. Screw Vibe 50. Get the new Outrage 50. Available at a store near you soon
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04-18-2009 01:59 PM  10 years ago
JAGNZ

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I'll take a Knight 3D thanks.
Jason Greenwood

www.3dheli.co.nz
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