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03-31-2009 04:47 PM  9 years agoPost 41
Hummingbird3D

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Some of the replies on this thread are relating to a mechanical failure, but the last fun fly I went to there were to incidences. One of the pros was doing a warm up routine and all of a sudden his heli goes out of control - post mortem check showed that the heli's receiver battery had about 1 -2 volts left! The incident happened only after about 1-2 minutes into flight and all of a sudden the tail spins like crazy - the receiver battery came out.

One on the mechanical side, while one of the guys was doing aileron tic tocs close to the flight line, the heli banks to the left over everyone's head and lands just in front of the MC's son in front of the table.

Aside from that it seemed like everyone had a good time

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03-31-2009 05:18 PM  9 years agoPost 42
predatorman

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Come on Rick, thats not what is being said here.

Risk is part of our daily lives, but knowing the risks associated with any activity be it stamp collecting, skydiving or injecting heroin into your bloodstream, is what its about.

At least keeping a Heli a sensible distance away from innocent folk, will reduce risks....be that a flung blade or an RX crapping out and not going into failsafe.

Its the PILOT of whatever is being flown that has to weigh up the risks. Why give the hobby/sport a bad press by taking NEEDLESS risks?

Anyone who flys these models has to accept that THEY are responsible for that model....whatever the cause of ANY crash/accident.

I had a incident here a while back now, plank flyer was flying his large and heavy model with a bad battery pack...no failsafe...plank went on a search and destroy mission, came down full pelt and cut a plank of wood clean in half...in the outskirts of town. Had that been a child in a pushchair...well lets not go there.

Trouble was the pilot and others who wouldnt accept the ANO side of things. Check the laws out sometime...it matter not one iota if you are a **** hot 3D flyer or a humble learner...you will find the SAME laws apply.

At least read up on the law before putting others at NEEDLESS risk...thats whats being said here.

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03-31-2009 07:02 PM  9 years agoPost 43
A. Bundy

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After reading these types of threads I wonder why some of you ever come around a flying field. Stay in bed with the covers over you and pray that full scale aircraft does not crash through your roof.
Everybody is a badass fearless risk taker until they are sitting in an ER.

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03-31-2009 07:18 PM  9 years agoPost 44
dredevil

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I am still a Badass in the ER Mofo!!!

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03-31-2009 08:26 PM  9 years agoPost 45
chopper_crazy

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I would say I am part of that "younger generation" and definately don't think I am "invisible" I have a high level of respect for these helis because you never know what could happen. I have always felt nervous on the flight line when other guys fly real close to the flight line simply because it is one thing if I am in control of the machine in front of me and know what it is doing, if I'm not the one controlling it, its nerve racking and uneasy.

It's a complex, costly, glow powered anti-gravity machine!

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03-31-2009 08:59 PM  9 years agoPost 46
VooDooX

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i recently had a "saftey moment" where you think WTF was i thinking! i was using a drill to drill the head off a allen bolt that had striped the drill was a full power and i got the the bolt when BOOM the drill sliped and hit me in the wrist 1 mm or so from a major artery but didnt break the skin even tho it was at FULL RPM and a metal bit LUCKILY the bolt head broke off and got STUCK on the end of the drill bit and was perfectly smooth like silk all i got was a friction burn on my wrist to remind me never to be so stupid

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03-31-2009 09:19 PM  9 years agoPost 47
Wingman77

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I got realy ticked last year at ircha when Matt was flying his synergy and blowing around grass that had been cut when he ran the tail thru it and everyone herd the gears strip on the TT, it did not completely strip though so he hovered for about 1 seccond then went right back to bashing it and the tail let loose and he lost controll of it, it came plowing in behind him very close to several people. that is putting several peoples lives at risk and he knew it. when you know your heli has a serious problem you should land as quickly as possible and fix it.

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03-31-2009 09:32 PM  9 years agoPost 48
SuperSixTwo

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One think that the 'pro' pilots do a pretty darn good job maintaining/building the machines that they thrash on. If they didn't, they wouldn't make it as long as they do.
Not to say they couldn't have a mechanical failure, happened at Vegas this year.
I also think they have more stick time and faster reaction to the heli than most of us weekenders. That doesnt say they will be able to control it, but just have a better chance at it.
And yes HAMPILOT, my thumb feels just fine!

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03-31-2009 11:11 PM  9 years agoPost 49
JAGNZ

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For a hobby activity, there is very little reason to accept any level of risk.
For you perhaps! For many the risks ARE what make the Hobby for them! And it's not just helis either but motor racing etc.


Jason Greenwood

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04-01-2009 12:16 AM  9 years agoPost 50
predatorman

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Yes, its safer to not fire the heli up....just look at it

May as well be a paperweight

Quality takes........time!

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04-01-2009 12:36 AM  9 years agoPost 51
Cheech91060

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For you perhaps! For many the risks ARE what make the Hobby for them! And it's not just helis either but motor racing etc.
Agree, thats my choice personally. I get enough of a rush risking the $$. And yes I'm biased since I have a baby on the way

Anyone is free to take risks and expose them self however they want, but once others are exposed there is a responsibility to respect them.

Frank
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04-01-2009 01:23 AM  9 years agoPost 52
Elgreco

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Yes, its safer to not fire the heli up....just look at it
Is this intended as a joke ?

Let's not let this steer away from the point.

We are clearly distinguishing between heli flying however risky, and extreme 3D 5 feet off your face...

I think the more I read comments like that, they come from people that don't bother giving a serious thought to what the thread is talking about.
Of course 3D is a great rush and extreme stuff is what it's about for some people in the hobby.
Besides, if we were not into this at some level here, then we'll be having conversations in the scale heli sections, but please people, surely even you, "extreme", individuals understand the possibility of a grave accident when flying like that.
I like this kind of flying and admire it also. But I make sure I am in a safe distance when I observe, because as mentioned before, I have complete confidence in the skill level of the pros BUT an accidental mechanical failure is unpredictable.
I think, I would be safe from where I observe but my thoughts are to the pilot and spotter. Not to mention other spectators if something goes really wrong.

Don't mean to put anyone on the spot with the quotes but I was just responding to the ongoing thread...

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04-01-2009 01:49 AM  9 years agoPost 53
predatorman

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Yes its a joke!

I just cant believe that folk fly like that, if a blade got shed it could go straight through a person or catch them in the face...due to weight and velocity this could mean instant death.

We can admire pilots that fly close in and impress people, but the moment some poor soul gets hurt then the laughter stops...the onus is on the pilot...pure and simple.

Bravado or macho image? we can all puff our feathers up and think 'it wont happen' but it has...several times. So why provide the ingredients for an incident?

To fly like this with folk close by is plain stupid and selfish (if the onlooker close by is ignorant as to the risks). You might go right through the hobby and never have an incident...but are you really that sure?

Quality takes........time!

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04-01-2009 07:29 AM  9 years agoPost 54
Machinehead01

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Been a metal worker for a long time...
I have seen work stress apear in seconds on parts that were supposed to last the life of the machine intended. Bottom line here is that unless you xray and certify all materials used in a build, metal fatigue and or mechanical failure can happen at any time,more so if said machine has extended flight times without periodic or systemized part replacement. This in itself should keep a pilot from flying to close to another person. With metal parts being made in another country, who is to say that their standards are the same? With cost being the factor that it is today, I'm willing to bet that the material grades are substandard or that the wrong grade may be utilized in the construction of said parts. Is it worth the risk?
Not by my standards. Saftey FIRST, PERIOD!!

Thomas

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04-01-2009 02:19 PM  9 years agoPost 55
mundo330

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For Rick_H and all! First of all the pilots should be flying in Front of the Flight line ONLY and second everyone is skirting around the most important safety factor... Never Ever fly alone! Accidents happen and when they do you do not want to be alone. You will most likely need help immediately and having a friend, flying buddy, anyone, there to help is a necessity. I do not Ride my dirt bike alone, I would never dream of diving alone and I never ever fly alone.

Causality is the root of all life!
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04-01-2009 02:23 PM  9 years agoPost 56
whirlyspud

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You are wasting your time trying to tell Rick H anything. He already knows everything, and on his wallet it says "Bad Mother #$%^&*"

Mike

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04-01-2009 04:06 PM  9 years agoPost 57
Rick_H

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Wow, Looks like I struck a cord here on this attact on Professional 3D Pilots.

I have to go to work now, but when I get back I will respond to the attacts on me. I would like to know how I "Knows eveything" with just two posts on this tread. I guess I must have hit the nail on the head on this one.

Rick

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04-01-2009 04:17 PM  9 years agoPost 58
predatorman

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I fly on my own, if I waited for someone to accompany me I would have to put my gear up for sale!

I sail on my own, again if I waited for someone to help out I would stay on dry land.

I let my Lady know I am going out but thats it.

If you have sensible enough safety measures in place then, for me, its ok. Why should I wait for someone else to be arsed to spot for me while I fly? There is little if any real interest in RC flight here where I live.

Quality takes........time!

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04-01-2009 05:29 PM  9 years agoPost 59
mundo330

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Safety First
Again as I have said in other threads, this was a prudent suggestion to all fliers. I learned the hard way and lost some blood over it. You do not have to wait for another flier to join you either. As I have stated in another thread, I used to go to a school field and take a 20 year old woman who liked to sun herself on the other side of the backstop as I flew. She got some private (except for me) sun time in and I got to fly with the security of knowing that someone was close by in case... Plus I did not mind the scenery either, although it took some explaining to my wife (not really, we have a very trusting relationship, she just likes to break mine for fun!).
Just give it some thought. If you do get hurt, could you apply the necessary first aid to your self or drive to the hospital?
Again just a friendly suggestion.
Doug S

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04-01-2009 07:06 PM  9 years agoPost 60
A. Bundy

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I thought about this last night.No more worry wasted on safety for me.I am going to get more high risk fun in my life.I'm not living in a bubble anymore.I'm cutting the seat belts out of my car,getting rid of the locks-fire extinguishers-fire alarms in my house and business,not wearing gear at motocross anymore,taking the safeties off my guns,playing in traffic,diving into water before checking it out,using tools with no eye protection,and doing whatever I want all the time.Liberating.I'm gonna live....I'm finally gonna live.

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