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03-30-2009 05:15 PM  9 years agoPost 21
dredevil

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One time I was driving down a road at 67mph and another car passed me…with less than 2 feet to spare!!!
My life flashed before my eyes.

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03-30-2009 05:50 PM  9 years agoPost 22
Cope

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South Lake Tahoe CA

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I know it's silly, but I try to stay at odd angels to my bird. This became real clear one day when spooling up the 90 in the drive way. I had hit the tail on my last flight and not thought to check the grips. The tail exploded and hit the garage so hard it sounded like a gun shot! I never did find all the parts. Had I been directly behind the model I think It could have been bad.

As stated, If it's not dangerous then it's just not that much fun for me.

Fear is the little death,The mind killer. I will allow my fear to pass through me.Only I will remain

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03-30-2009 08:27 PM  9 years agoPost 23
Rick_H

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I understand the need for safety as it is everyone's responsibility to minimize any unsafe conditions that could cause injury to another person that they have the ability to control.

What I don't understand is why do people believe they have the obligation and right to take that responsibility away from that person because they believe that person may get hurt. You don't have that right at least not here in the USA. Many believe they do but they don't.

As long as the pilots are flying the heli's behind the flight safety line (following AMA Rules) Then they are flying safely, even if they (Spotter included) are standing just behind the safety line and the heli is mere inches from them as it passes. That is their choice and if they get hurt, Sh*t happens. Look at nascar, horse racing, soccer events, hockey, motocross, football, skydiving, full scale air racing, driving a car to work, walking across the street, hunting, bicycle riding, karate, snow skiing, bungee jumping to name a few. Many more get hurt and killed from these hobbies/sports than from ours.

So enjoy the hobby and let other have enjoy it also, or find a safer hobby for yourself. That is if you can find one.

Rick

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03-30-2009 09:38 PM  9 years agoPost 24
co_rotorhead

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^^Yep. Let natural selection take care of it. "The kid that eats too many marbles is the kid that doesn't get to grow up to have kids of his own" --George Carlin

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03-30-2009 11:28 PM  9 years agoPost 25
predatorman

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Bull **** about 'fear' and all that crap.....that gets my goat that does.

For the FOOLS who like to risk....fly on your own! YOU are responsible if the heli YOU are in charge of...regardless of ownership...hits someone.

Yeah....I know blah blah blah etc 'planks cause more deaths etc' but a 90 size heli going at full pelt (forward flight can easily see 70mph...even more in a dive) weighing at what? 5 kgs maybe? I am not clever enough at math but it adds up to a lot of force over a small area...inertia...coupled with a human form...injury ranging from slight to cold on the marble slab in the morgue. This is WITHOUT mention of how terribly cut you can get off those blades.

Like I said, fly on your own if you want to actively flirt with risks....or at least have the decency of making sure your helpers are safely out of the way.

We all make mistakes, its part of the human experience...but to know the risks and actively court with serious injuries....and putting OTHERS at risk? come on....wake up!

Quality takes........time!

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03-31-2009 12:39 AM  9 years agoPost 26
Cope

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Geez, I hope this is not in response to my tag line?

Fear is the precursor to adrenaline, and I love adrenaline...

With my helis I get a little taste before I fire her up, EVERY time.

Fear is the little death,The mind killer. I will allow my fear to pass through me.Only I will remain

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03-31-2009 01:11 AM  9 years agoPost 27
Carey

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If you are skiing/snowboarding, or any other action sport that involves your body going faster than say 20mph, like dirt biking, it's the golden rule to never ride over your head. The price to pay can be options we don't like to talk about.

Never fly over your head, literally and figuratively!

While the probability of serious physical injury is (probably) a lot lower than say heading down the north face at crested butte with a 6 pack in your belly, it's still there.

Just like I was told as a kid when surfing and not watching out for swimmers, by an older guy that saw what has happening:

"Whether you like it or not you are an ambassador for this sport. I really like surfing here. Don't f*** that up kid. Now go say sorry."

Turned out to be some local CEO on lunch.

It pretty much set me straight for whatever I got into from there on out. Don't be d1cks.

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03-31-2009 01:20 AM  9 years agoPost 28
A. Bundy

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I trust the pilots.I don't trust a 10 cent plastic link or a microstrand servo wire though.But,that's just me.

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03-31-2009 02:47 AM  9 years agoPost 29
predatorman

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Cope, no... not at all.

There is an element of risk in all that we do...even eating a cheesburger...you can choke to death. Doesnt stop us eating them does it?

Guy gets hit in the throat by the blades on an RC heli (somewhere in Texas?)and bleeds to death before the Medics get to him...does that stop us flying? nope! and why should it?

Its the risks that are taken with 3D flight, close to the people that I just fail to understand. I have no issues with the lone flyer that likes to flirt with danger...thats up to the flyer. If that person hasnt taken into consideration the sheer energy that these machines contain when they are fired up...well go figure.

Any RC aircraft that is allowed to strike a person, accident or otherwise(?) could see the pilot in court. I cant speak for the FAA but the CAA in the UK, which we come under here where I live, makes this clear in the Air Navigation Order. The Penaltys vary maybe, last time I checked it was an £8000 fine and/or a jail term...thats without the good old lawyers getting involved and sueing on behalf of grieving relatives (if it gets that bad) once you get witnesses that state you were flying in such a way as to cause the accident...no matter if it was a dumb thumb OR a servo crapping out etc etc..it wont matter ONE iota...YOU THE PILOT are at fault...so remember this.

Sorry to sound long winded with all this, but its too late once that model hits someone....most times it might be a flesh wound and things get resolved on the spot...but a serious injury or death? now thats a tricky one.

We ALL have a responsibility for other folks safety when operating these machines. Like I said before...we all can make some dumb ass mistakes on our own and usually we laugh about it...why not? but its other peoples safety that we must bear in mind.

I dont mind folk watching me fly, but they have to keep near my car
which is out of the way. I fly my gasser a lot, theres always a risk that a part can fail etc...but its a risk we take...and have fun along the way...considering others safety along the way.

Quality takes........time!

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03-31-2009 03:44 AM  9 years agoPost 30
whirlyspud

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A little common courtesy goes a long way. Too bad that there seems to be very little of it left to go around these days. I've seen a person killed with a plank, and 4 or 5 people hit by helicopters. I've almost been hit more than a handful of times. Anymore, I do not want these things any closer to me than about 50 feet when they are flying. Things I have seen first hand have made me this way. Granted, 50 feet may not help, but at least I may have time to grab someone else to use as a sheild if need be. That last sentence is a joke for those of you that are not well versed in sarcasm.

Since warning people to the dangers does little, the only option I will have is to sue the crap out of someone if they do hit me. I don't want to sue anyone, so they better kill me if they do hit me.

Mike

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03-31-2009 03:52 AM  9 years agoPost 31
GREYEAGLE

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We need to be super carefull and show some respect for enginering limits
In my 35 + carreer I've seen a lot of crashes all planks and two helis' from a transit show pair that joined ours for one show years ago-- but the ones most disturbing were mechanical failures.

All unpredictable and in my judgement unpreventable -- pure mechanical stress failures.

1/4 scale fall through a vendor cabana way back from the flight line, 1/4 war bird w a 4.2 go thru a morton bldg, and through a glass cab on a John Deer inside the same building, Ford Taurs totaled do to a direct hit on the window / pedistal.

My self: while testing a prototype jet " Imploded" sucked up like a Taco shell while on step, rolled into a ball taveled laterially 300 yards before it slowed down and fell in a mass 10 feet from one of my van's at a closed strip .

On the line during a full 90 down stop from a broken yoke on a full flying stab. On the deck in front of six of us with a jet . It actually shattered the 3" Dubro rubber and caught fire.
We all stood their with one leg in the air like Captain Morgan it happened that fast.

Blew a full metal head with 710's on one of my first gassers, during a slow runn up. Failure of a grub point set screw to hold a cyclic arm. The bit's were only heard going by us and a heaviest pieces were found 50 yard's away. That was enough !

I truley love the 3- D as it really pounds my heart to see it on the vids, and hope to learn a fraction of the basics I witness. Absolute pure talent never ever seen before in my career, and the physics going on cannot be measured.

I just hope and pray that the odd's do not occur to the public. I've seen that also: to a child on a asphalt flight line.

When the two show team heli guy;s did their demo at a full scale fly in - I instinctivley moved my wife back behind the trailer as the crowd was up tight against the line. The first one splashed right in front at show center from a vertical down line. The second blew the tail at " up -their altitude" and rained down.

I pray that it never ever happen's, and total respect is shown by the pilots for the safety of those watching or their out.

I really wish the 3- D stuff had some higher degree of protection without ruining the process,--- and I have no clue what it could be. Some for the public, but more so to hold the pilot to a higher degree of self accountability just so he is aware of the responcibility he has.

I remember one question I asked and never got a answer :

Will you sign a hold harmless agreement, cover me on the insurance, or indemnify me if we lose this thing ?? Never got a answere. I sat the radio down and walked away.

Fly smart, Fly safe, Be aware of your limit's, suroundings, and take the oath to spear it if endangers anyone.

Nuff Said : Jack

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03-31-2009 03:56 AM  9 years agoPost 32
Wingman77

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I "spotted" for Alan Szabo once and I was standing next to him and he brings it down about a foot off the ground and about 5 feet in front of us starts doing cracking ticktocks..... damn that rotor looks huge that close!!!! I would hate for a link to pop while doing that crack, I know it is extremely rough on a heli. he sure is a good pilot though.

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03-31-2009 04:34 AM  9 years agoPost 33
Vance

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Things will continue the way they are until there is a catastrophic incident at a very public event. That's just the natural progression of things. It's unfortunate for the person or persons that this will happen to, but it's just not gonna change any other way.
It's kinda like the dangerous intersection in any given town. They don't put a signal light until several people have died. That's very sad for the people involved. But it's just he way things get done. It's not right by most people's standards, but when money or sales of a product are involved it just transpires in a predictable way.
The skill of any given pilot is irrelevant, as they are all good at the major events.
I make it a point to not stand near the front at these events & preferably by a large RV or something similar & keep an eye on the heli duringthe demo. you can never be on top of all the heli's out there so you're taking a chance just by being present. we all take chances as soon as we get out of bed every morning.
Vince D

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03-31-2009 02:32 PM  9 years agoPost 34
predatorman

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There you go...add humans to most any situation and you get issues like mentioned before.

We have to do 'Human Factors' within the aviation world in which I work...does the USA have this system? bet it does somewhere along the line.

Basically it delves into the human being and situations at work...stress, lack of training, press-on-itess (where you press on and do the job regardless of how tired you are) and 'can do' attitudes...where we can wade in and get above our heads and make a horrible mistake, so as to impress the boss.

And thats right, people do have to get injured or killed before steps are taken to set things right.

Mechanical failure, yep...these components are NOT under any quality check (save for the companys own policy) nowhere near the standards of real aviation. If a rotor head breaks in flight...who would take the rap? how do you prove it wasnt overloaded? what about flying with a single battery pack? why dont we fly with a system that provides a backup?
Who overlooks our procedures as we maintain our machines to a safe standard?

I fully realise that we cant wrap everything in cotton wool and drink herbal tea and hug a tree and accidents happen. Its reducing the risks that count for something.

We must have all seen the hole that a plank can make in the earth....and we have all seen how bent a main shaft gets in a heli smash....unbelievable isnt it? sure makes you respect the risk

Quality takes........time!

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03-31-2009 02:34 PM  9 years agoPost 35
whirlyspud

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Some people have to learn the hard way. Sad as that is.

Mike

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03-31-2009 03:37 PM  9 years agoPost 36
Wingman77

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well I liked it at ircha where the flight line was way away from the crowd, I think there should be no rules at all for putting yourself at risk only putting others at risk.

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03-31-2009 03:59 PM  9 years agoPost 37
predatorman

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Exactly, quite a number of the public might have never never flown a heli before; and could well be ignorant of the risks.

Quite some time ago we had a lot of plank flyers, myself included. We had one daredevil that always pushes things to the max. At low level right above our heads he would come zooming in. All it would have took was a glitch and it could have caved someones head in, lethal.

Luckily he got bored and went off the hobby. I dont mind beating up the airfield with either plank or heli, looks good but putting people in the firing line is not wise.

Trouble is, if you 'whistle blow' you can risk losing friends and look like a pansy, better to be more subtle but firm ie standing back a bit more while the 'Ace' thrashes his heli

Quality takes........time!

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03-31-2009 04:15 PM  9 years agoPost 38
Rick_H

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After reading these types of threads I wonder why some of you ever come around a flying field. Stay in bed with the covers over you and pray that full scale aircraft does not crash through your roof.

Rick.

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03-31-2009 04:30 PM  9 years agoPost 39
Elgreco

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After reading these types of threads I wonder why some of you ever come around a flying field. Stay in bed with the covers over you and pray that full scale aircraft does not crash through your roof.
That's mature....

You don't even get the meaning of the thread...

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03-31-2009 04:37 PM  9 years agoPost 40
Cheech91060

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I fully realise that we cant wrap everything in cotton wool and drink herbal tea and hug a tree and accidents happen. Its reducing the risks that count for something.
Exactly. Risk acceptance is the key point here. For a hobby activity, there is very little reason to accept any level of risk.

Frank
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