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03-31-2009 05:47 AM  9 years agoPost 41
RayoVac

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The Updater is not doing any special magic that is abusing any RFCs or Internet Standards. Fact of the matter is, networking is networking... we shut off everything we can to try and keep the malware from taking hold or finding us.

Whether their updater is using some XML based HTTP transfer or true FTP or even SFTP... there is minimal risk in allowing you machine to facilitate that traffic transfer using their updater application. (You have more risk across port 80 which you Firewall clearly has open).

If you feel that short time of disabling your firewall or creating an exception to facilitate the download is somehow going to enable rouge program code from executing or finding your machine... then you have WAAAAY bigger security issues to worry about (ie. worm, malware, virus), already intact.

I find their update program to work well and seamlessly. The registration simply helps protect their code and keep track of their installed code base. GREAT EFFORTS on their part.
Just my two cents.

I am not attacking you or you disgust for the process... just stating that I understand your concern for security, but feel that this process poses no discernible risk.

Rayo

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03-31-2009 08:00 AM  9 years agoPost 42
raptorheli2

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you don't need to shut down your firewall, simply add an exception for it....like you do for any other bit of software you want to talk out and come back in.

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03-31-2009 10:53 AM  9 years agoPost 43
tchavei

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Why do you need a firewall on your computer anyway? As long as the home network is protected by a well configured router and you're operating through NAT without using DMZ, that will block 99.999% of all incoming attacks. The computers themselfs only need a good Antivirus and a Malware detection program (antivirus generally suck at malware detection and termination) and thats it.

In a corporate environments things are a little different as you don't know what users will install on their side so a firewall is necessary but even those ones can be used as long as you implement a proxy service or, in the worst case scenario, a socks server.

in 12 years of service I never had problem (not counting viruses, DOS attacks and malware. Also not counting the time I only had a simple modem connecting me to the Internet)

my two cents

Tony

PS - Obviously this conversation is way off topic and MAYBE, just MAYBE someone will address your issue in the future by redirecting the traffic to good old port 80 (or even 443) but if your firewall has its rules based on applications, that won't help anything.


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03-31-2009 11:26 AM  9 years agoPost 44
3dhiro

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> The firmware updater should work without having to disable my firewall

The purpose of the firewall is to stop programs from accessing the internet without your permission. As such I surely hope that a program can not be engineered to bypass it.

> Why do you need a firewall on your computer anyway? ... and you're operating through NAT without using DMZ ...

This is perfectly fine if the threat is already known but won't protect you from new ones. I use the firewall because I want to know when programs attempt to send information via the Internet without asking me first. I never had problems with viruses and malware as I don't use IE and I am computer educated enough not to open photos with EXE extensions.

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03-31-2009 11:37 AM  9 years agoPost 45
tchavei

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I want to know when programs attempt to send information via the Internet without asking me first.
Thats a valid point.
This is perfectly fine if the threat is already known but won't protect you from new ones
It will protect you from any non internally initiated outside connection. Doesn't matter if its new or old.
I never had problems with viruses and malware as I don't use IE and I am computer educated enough not to open photos with EXE extensions.
You haven't been exposed enough. We all have a problem sooner or later and no, you don't need to open an "photo exe" file for it to happen.

Tony


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03-31-2009 11:58 AM  9 years agoPost 46
Dr Lodge

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Shields up
This is a good utility to determine the extent to which your PC is it risk. Perhaps TM has a direct/unprotected internet connection so is using a PC firewall? I've got a broadband router which means nothing can even see my PC...according to Shields Up anyway.

https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2

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03-31-2009 12:15 PM  9 years agoPost 47
tchavei

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Perhaps TM has a direct/unprotected internet connection
That would explain most of the conversation. Having a software firewall on your computer at home behind a router is redundant.

Tony


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03-31-2009 02:25 PM  9 years agoPost 48
Ace Dude

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Wow, more proof that most folks don't have a clue about networking or security and privacy.

All the folks that have this thought they were safe too....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conficker

Symantec pushes out virus updates every five minutes.

  

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03-31-2009 02:43 PM  9 years agoPost 49
Jamin_00

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Any ways

How have you found the GYRO to act now it has been updated.I'm not an expect flier so cant tell to much.

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03-31-2009 03:15 PM  9 years agoPost 50
jadams

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East coast USA

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I use the XP fire wall and norton's AV. I did not have to touch either one when I downloaded and updated my Spartans. I have no problem giving Spartan my email and serial number, you blindly give your email,address, phone number and credit card number to an online retailer when you make a purchase. I really don't know why their is a complaint...it could be like Futaba and JR. Buy a gyro and they never do any updates or improvements until another company beats them to the market with a great gyro that out performs their "current" (401/770/611) gyro. Spartan is offering as of now FREE online updates for their products, what more could we ask for?? The fact that Spartan has people working on new code and overall improvements everyday says a lot for the company and its' people. They listened to the "complaints" and fixed and updated an already great gyro to make it perform better and even easier to program.

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03-31-2009 03:52 PM  9 years agoPost 51
bkervaski

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@Ace Dude
Wow, more proof that most folks don't have a clue about networking or security and privacy.
I'm a CISSP, what would you like to know?

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03-31-2009 05:31 PM  9 years agoPost 52
smallplanes

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I did not have to disable my firewall for the update it worked great just like it is. I like the system.

Thanks


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03-31-2009 06:30 PM  9 years agoPost 53
Ace Dude

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I'm a CISSP, what would you like to know?
I'm not asking anything, but based on what's been posted here it's obvious some don't have a clue.

  

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03-31-2009 06:56 PM  9 years agoPost 54
floop

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Back to topic.

The new firmware is very nice. Solved my issues of whippy tail in piro funnels.

WaHoooo!

IT's what I do.

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03-31-2009 11:48 PM  9 years agoPost 55
smallplanes

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I have a firewall set on my computor and a while back someone was getting into my email and looking at them, my computor told me i have an alert and i changed my password and never had a problem again. How do some of you computor guys think that happened?

Thanks


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03-31-2009 11:49 PM  9 years agoPost 56
Angelos

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I understand the registration, I don't agree with it. I understand how the firmware updater works but don't agree with it needing to go to the web.
Both systems and the link between the two were put in place for the interest of safety. Although every conceivable test is done before the release of a new firmware including several weeks of flight testing, being a responsible manufacturer we have to account even for the slightest possibility that a bug may have crept in. The same applies for newly purchased products and this is why we provide incentives for customers to register their purchase immediately. You may remember other brands recalling radios and other heli equipment. In any such unfortunate event we will be able to communicate the problem to the customer without delay rather than expecting everyone to find out from internet forums and word of mouth. The registration was not meant to be an invasion of anyone's privacy. It merely asks for a working email address, name and country.

-Angelos

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04-01-2009 01:19 AM  9 years agoPost 57
cwright

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Blossvale New York

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What files do I need to download from the website to do the firmware updates and where do I find the serial number of the gyro? I hope I don't have to remove the gyro for that. Thanks Chuck

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04-01-2009 01:27 AM  9 years agoPost 58
RayoVac

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You need two files:

The firmware downloader
http://www.spartan-rc.com/products/...ware_loader.zip

The Configurator
http://www.spartan-rc.com/products/...n_editor_r3.zip

When you run the Firmware Downloader it will read you serial number and connect to the web to verify your registration. If it find you have not registered your Gyro... you can go to Spartan's Site and Register everything: http://www.spartan-rc.com/resources...tration/reg.php.

Again... the firmware downloader will read and reveal your serial number when it attempts the download.

Rayo

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04-01-2009 04:50 PM  9 years agoPost 59
cwright

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Can I register a used gyro I bought from a friend? I have the files and driver downloaded for the red USB connector. Just waiting for it to come in. I want to be ready to update it when the cable gets here. Thanks. Chuck

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04-01-2009 05:35 PM  9 years agoPost 60
RayoVac

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I don't see why not, maybe Angelos could chime in. I don't recall see it ask for original ownership etc.

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