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04-01-2010 02:04 PM  10 years ago
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I saw that too but conveniently left it out

Take note the A380 was carrying 244 passengers and the 747 was carrying 414.

Which aircraft is making the most money for the airlines and why?
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04-01-2010 02:10 PM  10 years ago
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exactly. when it comes right down to it if a plane isn't making money, it'll be gone. it's all about load factors and cost.

that the A380 was only carrying 244 people was the first thing that jumped out.

Also add the costs to the airports to accommodate them. In the end, I think the 787 is going to be the 'winner'

dont forget, add to the A380 issues the A400M and A350 issues. Airbus production is a mess.
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04-01-2010 10:47 PM  10 years ago
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I saw that too but conveniently left it out

Take note the A380 was carrying 244 passengers and the 747 was carrying 414.

Which aircraft is making the most money for the airlines and why?
At the same time we had a couple of other Aussies report that they went on the A380 and the planes were "Full".
No Aircraft is ever going to be at full capacity all the time, that's just unrealistic.
The Dreamliner and the A380 compete in the same category, just using different approaches.
As it seems that most larger Airlines chose both aircraft, they must be seeing a profitable market for "both" of them, otherwise they wouldn't have purchased them!

Quantas is quite quick to park or sell planes that don't meet the anticipated profit targets.
So far we have heard nothing at all over here from Quantas in regards to the A380 not delivering as anticipated.
And the Dreamliner, so far is just vaporware anyway.
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04-02-2010 02:27 AM  10 years ago
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Thought I read somewhere the A380 has had more cancellations than current orders. Is that true?Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep
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04-02-2010 08:10 AM  10 years ago
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Both Airbus and Boeing had more cancellations then orders, which is more due to the worldwide economy then the aircrafts.
Most if not all these orders would have been put in before the credit crunch and the cancellations are because of Airlines financial difficulties, rather then the specific planes.
European aircraft maker Airbus said Thursday that cancellations on orders for planes had exceeded new orders since the beginning of the year, matching a similar trend at US rival Boeing.

Airbus said in a statement there had been six orders and 14 cancellations for the company between January 1 and February 28.

Data on Boeing's website showed that the US jetmaker had 22 orders and 32 cancellations between January 1 and March 10.

The announcement came as a source close to Airbus told AFP that the Dubai-based airline Emirates was seeking a delay in the delivery of several long-haul A380 superjumbo jets because of financing difficulties.
http://www.zimbio.com/Airbus+A380/a...s+Airbus+Boeing

Until the Airlines get their Dreamliners and have them in operation for about a year, we won't know if there is going to be any specific preference.
It just seems that most will be operating both, the A380 and the 787. So there must be a niche where one is more suited then the other and the opposite of course.
Why else would most of the big Airlines want to operate both models?
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04-02-2010 09:41 AM  10 years ago
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I meant the A380 specifically since inception.Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep
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11-04-2010 02:43 PM  9 years ago
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Qantas Grounds All A380s After Midair Scare
Qantas grounded its Airbus A380 fleet after one of the superjumbo jets blew out an engine Thursday, shooting flames and raining large metal chunks before making a safe emergency landing in Singapore with 459 people aboard.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/1...tern-indonesia/
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11-04-2010 04:07 PM  9 years ago
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Screw Rolls-Royce engines, GE or Pratt & Whitney engines all the way.
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11-04-2010 04:16 PM  9 years ago
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http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiap...+Top+Stories%29Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep
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11-04-2010 04:17 PM  9 years ago
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it certainly had that uncontained disk failure look.

Rolls is not gonna be too happy about that.
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11-04-2010 09:19 PM  9 years ago
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Right... So GE never had blade problems??
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11-04-2010 09:42 PM  9 years ago
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Guess you'd better "Screw" Pratt and Whitney as well then...

http://govpulse.us/entries/2010/10/...urbofan-engines
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11-04-2010 09:44 PM  9 years ago
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can anything not degenerate into childish BS?

They're all good engines and all manufactured goods by all manufacturers have problems sometimes.
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11-04-2010 09:54 PM  9 years ago
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That is true. And to be fair there was a time when engines were literally falling off of 747's due to bad pylon engine mounting pins.Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep
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11-04-2010 10:17 PM  9 years ago
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They are all good engines hence my observation... As they say "Let he who is innocent cast the first stone" :-)
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11-04-2010 10:18 PM  9 years ago
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Seem to remember DC10's had a departing lump problem as well?
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11-04-2010 10:25 PM  9 years ago
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although I do recall the Concorde losing it's vertical rudder trailing edge more than once.
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11-12-2010 01:13 PM  9 years ago
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Rolls Royce and the certification process are targeted....
Four problems dating to 2008 led to two warnings for airlines to check parts of the Trent 900.

Three of the four previous problems centered on the turbines or oil system.

Joerg Handwerg, a spokesman for the pilots' union for German airline Lufthansa, said that minor problems are routine for any jet engine, but it is possible that the issues were an indication that regulators did not adequately check the engine before approving it for commercial use.

"When you see we have a problem with not just one of these engines but several then it points towards that we have a problem in the certification process," Handwerg said.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/1...failure-engine/

What concerns me is when a manufacturer depends on a certification process to qualify an engine.... we are in big trouble.
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11-12-2010 01:39 PM  9 years ago
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thats the whole purpose of a certification authority; to be an independent non-commercial final check of suitability and safety.

that DOESNT mean that the device in question is flawless in design; only that it passed the certification tests (which may or may not be sufficiently comprehensive) (which by definition can not be).
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11-12-2010 01:50 PM  9 years ago
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I hear you. Just hoping Rolls isn't using the cert process as a handshake that they are done. You would expect them (Rolls) to not need a cert process and to make sure something like this issue is caught and corrected by the manufacturer and hopefully not relying on a cert process to wring out the final design.Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep
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