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01-18-2009 07:07 PM  9 years agoPost 1
datidun

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sceadu vs pantera
does anybody fly both these machines ,i have flown the hirobo sceadu 50 ,hpm model seems to be quit a stable heli ,would like to know what the pantera is like ,it seems to quit beefy and the kit is cheaper than the sceadu evo ,but replacing parts seem to be close in price

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01-18-2009 07:18 PM  9 years agoPost 2
Tim Ashley

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Pantera
The Pantera is awesome
Flys really well like on rails
I have one with a ys91 and it has held up with no problems for 50 or so flights and not one issue
Very beefy airframe with a lot of tuning options that make it 3d if you want
I have 3 of them for everyday flying

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01-18-2009 09:29 PM  9 years agoPost 3
MaxAdventure

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I can't compare to the new Hirobo, but I can say I also liked the Pantera so much I bought two more. I find it very stable in fast flight, no pitchyness/drift. It's great to fly fast and big. I also have it tuned to flip pretty fast yet still fly true. I haven't tried the extremes, but the head is very programmable for hard core 3D with the longer flybar and extreme throws, or mellow it out for F3C style.

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01-19-2009 12:32 AM  9 years agoPost 4
enahs

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I don't think you're going to find much difference in the way the two helis fly. I had a Pantera and it was a smooth machine. I have never owned nor flown an Evo, but from what everyone says it is a smooth flying machine too.

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01-19-2009 01:04 AM  9 years agoPost 5
Eury

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I've flown both extensively, in fact, my old Pantera is the one that shows up in a lot of the ads. Stability wise, they are very similar, both have a very smooth, mellow hover. In flight, the Pantera has faster cyclics, but can be tuned down, both track equally well. Really, if you were to put the same canopy on both, you'd be hard pressed to tell which is which, although the Pantera is a bit quicker.

The big differences are in the mechanics themselves. The Pantera is quite a bit simpler, and the way the servos are installed and move the swash lends to faster and easier setups. Parts are cheaper for the Pantera, and there are less of them. Basically it's a newer design and it shows.

Here's the weaknesses of the Pantera as I see it. The swash is a sloppy piece of junk, and parts availability is not nearly as wide as the Evo. If you are going mail order, the parts issue isn't an issue, Audacity has great service, and ships things out very fast. The swash is what it is, and the owner of Audacity will be pissed when he sees that I said the swash is junk, but I call it like I see it. It is sloppy with a lot of play, and only gets worse over time. Replacing it with a quality piece that isn't full of play will cost you in the neighborhood of $60, and you'll have a very solid machine. If you are just a sport flier, or just learning, you probably won't have a problem with the swash for quite a while, if you are more demanding, it'll bug you and you'll replace it. Other than that, the Pantera is an awfully solid machine, and the earlier issues (weak tail grips and seesaw arms) have been rectified by redesigning those parts.

If you go to the Audacity website, he's been working on a comparison tab for the main competitors, one of which is the Evo. He does a pretty good job of going through the features of both. Bring your hip waders to slog through the marketing BS, but the points he makes are valid. Personally, I've owned both and I now fly a CCPM Evo for my 50 (the newer model that has the SWM designation). When I crash the Evo, it won't be repaired, it will be replaced with another Pantera.

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01-19-2009 01:40 AM  9 years agoPost 6
Kjarman

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I have purposefully stayed out of this conversation for fear of being branded a cheer boy for one over the other, but Eury could not have said it better.... I'll take the few short comings of the Pantera over the Evo any day. Any other questions, don't hesitate to post up in the Audacity Forum section... we are all willing to help out.

I sold another one to Terrafirma...... wife wants to know where the money's at!!!!

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01-19-2009 02:27 AM  9 years agoPost 7
TaleGunner

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HEY Kjarman
Go ahead and cheer away if you like something say so! if you don't say so!
Don't put to much stock in one RR members RANT
Besides that particular member does not hesitate to state his opinion I just think he was bored that day

CRASH! GLUE! REPEAT!
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01-19-2009 02:33 AM  9 years agoPost 8
Nashville

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Great topic. I had never thought how similar the two helis are until I read this. And I fly both of them. My Evo has very old electronics in it and I use it strictly as a sport flyer. It's too old to be pushed. I have my Pantera set up as aggressivly as it gets. Which is pretty good. Like everyone else said, the Pantera is very stable and locked in. It's a little heavy and a little tail heavy, but not so much that it will bother you much. Both helis also have awful canopies. It really is funny how similar they are.

I was Spektrum when Spektrum wasn't cool

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01-19-2009 02:39 AM  9 years agoPost 9
Eury

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I've got to be the only guy in the world who likes the canopies on both of them.

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01-19-2009 07:10 AM  9 years agoPost 10
llamont

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Both helis also have awful canopies.
I've got to be the only guy in the world who likes the canopies on both of them.
I like the aesthetics of both canopies also. In fact, I think I may end up purchasing an Evo within the next month. The Pantera seems like a great vehicle, but I'm more into F3C maneuvers and the Evo seems to be the better fit.

Thanks
Loren

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01-19-2009 01:53 PM  9 years agoPost 11
Against Gravity

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Just a thought
What machine do your friends fly, and what does your LHS handle for parts.
I have Evo HPM and a Trex 600, the Evo really does fly like it is on rails. The 600 is for when I am feeling a little wild and crazy.

I hear good things about Pantera, but if I have a sudden meeting with Terra fir ma, My LHS has every thing I need in stock for both machines. There is plenty of people around to help with the fine tuning, " that is priceless to me "

I am new to the Hobby so take this into account.

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01-19-2009 02:44 PM  9 years agoPost 12
datidun

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i fly the trex 600 ,your right its very quick and nippy ,the frame and other parts im concerned about not strong and good quality ,the other is a raptor which sort of ok in flying ,built strong thats why the pantera caught my eye looks strong and is quick like the trex 600

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01-19-2009 04:59 PM  9 years agoPost 13
Eury

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built strong thats why the pantera caught my eye looks strong and is quick like the trex 600
Yes and no... The Pantera is certainly strong, but it's not as quick and agile feeling as the 600. It's a great flying heli and certainly doesn't feel ponderous in the air, but it's not as light and agile feeling as the 600.

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01-19-2009 05:24 PM  9 years agoPost 14
rstacy

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I've got to be the only guy in the world who likes the canopies on both of them.
Its funny that you say that. A canopy has to be awfully bad for me to care yet I see many people complain because a machine doesn't come with a FG canopy or if it does, they complain that it doesn't come with a plastic canopy. Often times a manufacturer just cant win...

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01-19-2009 05:29 PM  9 years agoPost 15
datidun

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the pantera comes with plastic blade grips can these stand up to higher headspeeds ,for sure the trex cannot i have seen them split

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01-19-2009 06:04 PM  9 years agoPost 16
Eury

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The older 600e grips were questionable, the newer 600N grips are fine up to 2000. The ones on the Pantera are very heavy duty, they've been tested with 640s up to 2000rpm, and 600s up to 2400rpm. You're not going to break them.

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01-19-2009 06:53 PM  9 years agoPost 17
MaxAdventure

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Yes and no... The Pantera is certainly strong, but it's not as quick and agile feeling as the 600. It's a great flying heli and certainly doesn't feel ponderous in the air, but it's not as light and agile feeling as the 600.
Eury, was this using the included ball link extensions? did you try John's longer flybar? I wouldn't know, but I'm really interested and I was thinking about Kyle Stacys vid, seems pretty quick on the cyclics in that one.

you've got some great experiance, thanks for sharing!

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01-19-2009 07:03 PM  9 years agoPost 18
Eury

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Yup, mine was one of the first 5 that were in the country, and JB and I tested out the ball extensions and longer flybars and such on it. Mine was VERY aggressive, at one point I had some longer extensions and some other small mods that he wanted to try out that I don't think ever got out into the general population. I tested out even longer flybars than the one that he now sells as well.

Don't read that it's slow, because it's not, it's VERY fast, but it doesn't feel as quick and agile as a 600N with the 440mm flybar and a light set of paddles. It feels a lot more locked in during maneuvers, and the reason is that it lacks the somewhat nervous feel of a 600N when you get the 600N tuned to be very quick. Personally, I see that as a positive.

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01-19-2009 08:23 PM  9 years agoPost 19
MaxAdventure

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Great description, thanks! Not sure I'll ever have a chance to fly the rex 600 and I find the contrast/compare interesting.

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01-19-2009 10:02 PM  9 years agoPost 20
Mr.HillBilly

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Add another guy that likes the stock canopy of the Pantera. I have only messed with the Pantera and Century Hawk, but the Pantera has less issues than my old Hawk had.

The Pantera can do one heck of a chicken dance also.

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