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01-18-2009 12:58 PM  9 years agoPost 1
juicedcbr600f2

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Parker, Colorado - USA

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Hey everyone,

just wanted to pop in and show off the newest addition to the fleet, thanks to aland25. This is my first King II.

upgrades include:
- xTreme tail pulley
- xTreme Carbon frame
- ESky Brushless 3900kV
- ESky 25A ESC
- xTreme Carbon tail fins
- xTreme Carbon battery tray
- CNC aluminum skids
- ESky CNC head
- ESky Carbon paddles
- Align Carbon tail blades
- Venom Fiberglass main blades
- ESky HH Gyro
- 9 tooth pinion gear
- JR 6gr digi tail servo in HiTec housing (long story, lol)

upgrades on the way:
- CopterX Main rotor head
- microHeli CNC tail assy.
- ESky Carbon tail boom
- xTreme CNC anti-rotation bracket
- microHeli CNC swashplate
- ESky Carbon main blades
- GY401 HH Gyro

I think that is all for now but im sure im missing something.

I will try and maiden it this morning wind permitting. Will try and post video of that. Hopefully it flies as good as my others.

Thanks again aland25! any feedback welcome as well as anything i should look out for. This is my first KingII so Im still learning quite a bit about it.

Justin Naekel - Parker, CO - USA

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01-18-2009 01:55 PM  9 years agoPost 2
racin06

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Indianapolis, Indiana

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Very nice King and welcome to the Esky forum. I see in your profile that you also own a Raptor 30 and Nexus 30. Don't expect your King to fly as well as those larger helis., Besides, "flying well" is a relative term.
See my King video below:

Watch at YouTube

My King in the above video has a stock plastic head, stock main blades, stock tail, stock belt/pulley and I'm also using the Telebee HH gyro. It's more about the skills of the pilot than the heli . I'm curious...what is your current flying skill level?

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01-18-2009 02:19 PM  9 years agoPost 3
juicedcbr600f2

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Parker, Colorado - USA

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Lol,

Hey thanks although been here for a little while See my other thread "Belt-CP with Upgrades - Introduction - UPDATE". i have a bunch of helis. i learned on a Blade CP Pro, then got a Belt-CP. Tricdked that all out, then got the Nexus and the raptor... Raptor died a terrible death. Nexus is still alive and kicking. In fact, it is my fav heli. Never had an issue with it. Then i got a Kinetic 50 that Ihavent flown yet. Then recently I got a second Belt-CP that is getting scalled out in MD530 Skin. Now the King is my latest. I have heard both way on the heli in that it is either really easy to fly or really hard so Im just curious as to what to expect.

Really just curious about askin you fellow King'ers as to what I can expect. I am pretty good at setup so im not worried about that. Moreso parts failures, quirks, things of that nature.

Thanks
- J

EDIT: You asked about my skill level. i would comfortably say I am an intermediate pilot with basic 3D skills. I can do rolls and loops in my big helis - not on the little ones, my eyes arent good enough to keep orientation on the little ones from too far away.

EDIT 2: Im also glad to see that Im not the only one not running the tail boom supports.

Justin Naekel - Parker, CO - USA

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01-18-2009 02:44 PM  9 years agoPost 4
tryan02

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Canton, Missouri

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Its tailheavy the battery tray should help that I did a battery tray and put a 450 motor in it. I used the 300HDX3800 at first and it just didnt have the power to move any extra weight through the air.

IMHO your powerplant is weak I havent personally used the 3900 but have heard the 3800 is more powerful I ran a 10t. I put the scale body on mine and ended up running 90% flat throttle curve just to get good flight characteristics. Oh and would suggest you Immediately get a separate BEC If your gonna be running digital servos your gonna pop the regulators on that Esky one in no time.

In the end before I sold it I put a 450HDX3200 on a 12t pinion with 288mm CF blades Now that was a good flying machine!

I strongly suggest all you faithful King guys switch to a 450 size powerplant try it you'll see what I mean. The huge motor gives lots more power and the extra needed weight to the front of the heli.

No Really I am the club President!!!

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01-18-2009 03:35 PM  9 years agoPost 5
vortechZ230

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U.S.A.

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Get rid of that Esky swash, the Ar pin is really soft, and will notch in no time!.........

Blue skies, Light Winds!

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01-18-2009 04:14 PM  9 years agoPost 6
tryan02

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Canton, Missouri

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Oh yeah good call!

the plastic bracket will eat through it the CNC one your upgrading to will cut it.

No Really I am the club President!!!

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01-18-2009 06:26 PM  9 years agoPost 7
racin06

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Indianapolis, Indiana

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juicedcbr600f2,

OK...just checking. Every once in a while we get these wippersnapper newbies who spend and spend on upgrades even though they haven't mastered the basics of flight. I thought you were either an experienced pilot or inexperienced with lots of money to burn . Welcome to the Esky crowd .

Yes, I never liked the boom supports on the King...they had to go.

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01-18-2009 07:29 PM  9 years agoPost 8
Gregor99

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Western Wa

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I strongly suggest all you faithful King guys switch to a 450 size powerplant try it you'll see what I mean
Funny you should mention that. I've been running the Esky 3800 on my King. It has about 500 flights on it and quite frankly feels like it's gone soft. Yesterday I put my spare Extreme 400x on and while that improved the performance of the King, I was still able to bog it easier than I'd like. That was with an 11t and I'm going to try a 10t today to see if that's better.

But it got me thinking about a larger power plant so last night I was shopping for a new motor. There are some inexpensive options from HDX. The new HBK3 has alot more room above the motor so it won't be as tight as the old HBK2 canopy.

I was looking at this one:

http://www.helidirect.com/product_i...roducts_id=1460

About the boom supports, I still run them. The boom block on the plastic frame was really weak and had trouble keep the boom from slipping anyway. I don't think I'd run plastic frame without the supports. But the Xtreme boom block is fairly solid.

However I'm not sure I see the reason to take them off. The tail heaviness can be mostly addressed in other ways and the added triangulated support (boom + two supports) just makes sense to me as more solid design. Maybe its more support than is required, I don't know. But they aren't that heavy so the structural support seems in-expensive. I'll add that the boom and supports I'm running today are the ones from the kit had as of yesterday have over 600 flights on them. They've held up to crashes, hard landings and age.

But I'm open to hearing a good argument for removing them. So perhaps you non-boom support, supporters could attempt to convince me.

Revolectrix Beta Team

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01-18-2009 07:33 PM  9 years agoPost 9
juicedcbr600f2

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Parker, Colorado - USA

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lol. Yeah, im a little of both. I have the basics and some mild advanced moves down... and I dont really have huge amounts of money to blow through... I was just raised with the principal of buy the best you can afford or you will end up buying it twice or more.

On the swash, well as mentioned, i have a copterX head on the way and going to use the MicroHeli swash (so i dont have to relocate the A/R bracket, and I also have the xTreme cnc bracket coming so I should be good there. I run the CopterX on one of my Belt-CPs and absolutely love it. Only had to do 1/2 turn to get the rotors tracking perfectly.

I also discovered today that during my attempted maiden that the motor is probably ok but the 9 tooth pinion is a no go... no where near enough head speed, It will just barely come off the ground at full stick. I estimate my head speed is in the 1200-1400 rpm range and it was real squirley in what little bit of air i got in it.

I will swap back to either my 11 tooth but more likely the 13 tooth to start and see if there is enough grunt there.

I was also eyeing the E-Flight B400 motor. seems like that has tons of power for the 400 turning 325s so it should be fine turning 280s.

- Justin

Justin Naekel - Parker, CO - USA

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01-18-2009 07:34 PM  9 years agoPost 10
dravengary

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Mayview Missouri

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Were did you order the battery mount from Thanks Gary

R/C Will-Ya Team pilot

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01-19-2009 02:09 AM  9 years agoPost 11
juicedcbr600f2

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Parker, Colorado - USA

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i got the battery mount from... I'll get back to you on that one. Just google it otherwise. I ordered a bunch of stuff from a bunch of places so im will have to check.

In regards to the boom supports, I only leave them off because I could not find a suitable place to mount them on the xTreme frame. The screws at the bottom of the rear of the frame just dont offer enough bite for me to be comfortable to put them in. I am pretty cautious or landings though so Im not terribly concerned.

I think i might be picking up the B400 motor on a 13t pinion and see what that does for me. i also need to figure out a mod to get a larger capacity battery in there to make up for the current draw of the larger powerplant. I dont think the stock 1000mah battery will hold up well on the big powerplant.

- J

Justin Naekel - Parker, CO - USA

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01-19-2009 02:14 AM  9 years agoPost 12
racin06

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Indianapolis, Indiana

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So perhaps you non-boom support, supporters could attempt to convince me.
"I'm racin06 and I'm a non-boom support supporter."

I always have had problems with the boom supports interfering with the servo push-rod. I agree with what you say about the stock boom mount, though. However, I'm using the GuruZ frame on my King which has a much more secure boom mount.

So, did I convince you?

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01-19-2009 03:28 AM  9 years agoPost 13
dravengary

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Mayview Missouri

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I found one Thanks Gary

R/C Will-Ya Team pilot

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01-19-2009 06:13 AM  9 years agoPost 14
Gregor99

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Western Wa

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So, did I convince you?
Sorry, no. But thanks for trying I too have the issue with boom supports and the push rod. But after much careful tweaking I have it threading the needle between the boom support and the vertical fin.
In regards to the boom supports, I only leave them off because I could not find a suitable place to mount them on the xTreme frame. The screws at the bottom of the rear of the frame just dont offer enough bite for me to be comfortable to put them in.
I noticed that as well. To get a few more threads in, I left off the cup washer that Xtreme included in the kit.

Revolectrix Beta Team

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01-19-2009 07:21 AM  9 years agoPost 15
BOB WHO?

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Downey, Ca.

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Hey racin
If you don't fly something scale, you should. You're really smoooooooth. I'd like to see some footage of you flying something larger and with a scale fuse.

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01-19-2009 10:46 AM  9 years agoPost 16
racin06

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Indianapolis, Indiana

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Thanks, Bob. I'll probably give scale a try in the future.

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