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01-18-2009 04:27 AM  9 years agoPost 1
xxcysxx

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hello,
this is the second time i saw this maneuver perform in a very long time, and i don't see many pilots perform it either. i'm very fascinated by this maneuver and don't know what it is called.

it is perform by Dominik Hagele at the XFC 2008. it is the video that start with ram jam black betty song. the maneuver begin at 1:16 and end at 1:26 in the video clip.
this is the link to the video.
http://runryder.tv/rrTV-Photo/conte...IP=24.126.83.11

if possible, could you describe how it is executed. i still trying to catch up with its mechanic.

thanks

Tam

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01-18-2009 04:36 AM  9 years agoPost 2
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Just embedding the movie for ease of viewing.

I think the move should be called the "Jerry Swirl". more on this in my next post in this thread.

[rrtv] /rrTV-Photo/contest/XFC2008/rrXFC08Sun-HK07-DominikHagele.wmv [/rrtv]

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01-18-2009 04:42 AM  9 years agoPost 3
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thanks for the suggestion.

Tam

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01-18-2009 04:52 AM  9 years agoPost 4
Sean Williams

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Those are just some tic tocs with some wild piros thrown in. No real name to it. To do it, master 4 point and piro tic tocs and you'll be able to figure it out.

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01-18-2009 05:34 AM  9 years agoPost 5
QuantumPSI

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I thought it was called "paint stirrer" or "stirrer" or something stir

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01-18-2009 05:47 AM  9 years agoPost 6
Dood

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Well, just in case it needs a name,

may I suggest Jerry Swirl

I've never actually tried this move myself, but I think "Jerry Swirl" would be a good name for it.

Intended to rhyme with Jheri Curl, and a reference to Jerry Seinfeld's "swirl" move in Seinfeld Season 6, Ep 19. (The Fusille Jerry)
Jerry: Now, the ending is kind of an option. I use the swirl. I like the swirl. I'm comfortable with the swirl. *I* feel the swirl is a great capper. He uses the pinch, which I find a little presumptuous.

George: Is it a clockwise swirl?

Jerry: I prefer clockwise, but it's not written in stone.

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01-18-2009 05:55 AM  9 years agoPost 7
xxcysxx

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that's funny.

Tam

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01-18-2009 12:21 PM  9 years agoPost 8
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No matter what it called, it's some darn good flying.

If the wings are traveling faster than the fuselage, it's probably a helicopter.

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01-19-2009 12:23 AM  9 years agoPost 9
bmapope

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+! good flying!

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01-19-2009 12:26 AM  9 years agoPost 10
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nice jerry curl lmao
dood has wat to much free time

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01-19-2009 01:50 AM  9 years agoPost 11
Yug

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One of my favorite manouvers. Daniel Jetschin does this impeccably on four points. First time I saw this was at 3DM with Chen Svarti flying a few years ago.
BTW, it's not that difficult provided your timing is good on all 4 axis.

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01-19-2009 08:12 AM  9 years agoPost 12
w.pasman

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What I see is a wobbly tail-down tic toc with a piro after every tictoc. And the piro reverses every time.

With wobbly I mean that he seems to give some aileron where a pure tail-down tictoc would only require elevator

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01-21-2009 01:00 AM  9 years agoPost 13
xxcysxx

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so really, this maneuver must not be very popular then. i mean, even the snake and hurricane maneuver has its own name.
so it must be pretty recent then.

oh, the piro is optional, though its a great capper. but its the part where the tail is "stirring" that fascinate me. like the funnel, when i saw it the first time.

Tam

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01-21-2009 01:19 AM  9 years agoPost 14
red_z06

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Daniel J called it Kruzeburger as Max Kruzeburger from Austria started do it first. Most difficult part is stirring the left stick.

But, I guess Paint Stirrer or Broomstick works too.

If you were to trace the tailcase, it would draw a circle when executed well. So, you could say that the most difficult stick to work is the rudder.

Let say tail draws circle CW viewed from top.

tailcase left (or at 9) - zero rudder
disc vertical, pull top disc back with cyc towards 4-5 o'clock

tailcase back (12) - max left rudder input (not full)
disc neg tilt - neg pitch, cyc neutral

tailcase right (3) - zero rudder
disc vertical, cyc towards 10-11 direction

tailcase front (6) - max right rudder input
disc positive tilt - pos pitch, cyc neutral

Eventhough the tail boom is gyrating, the disc should look like a swing going back and forth.

Tic-Toc has hard stop at extreme ends and swing like a wiper blade, while Kruzenburger does no hard stop and look like a kids swing.

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01-21-2009 01:24 AM  9 years agoPost 15
RappyTappy

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It looks um interesting I guess.

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01-21-2009 06:14 AM  9 years agoPost 16
xxcysxx

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Cool, i'll give it a go on the simulator.

Tam

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