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01-17-2009 04:43 PM  9 years agoPost 1
Storm07

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As you all know, I'm new to this. My plan was as I learn to fly my Blade 400 well, to buy my first big bird (500 or larger) and start slowly building it over time, so by the time I can fly my blade very well, my new toy will be ready to go. I watched a video of a guy flying a 600 electric and the thing RIPPED. Was just as powerfull as any gas I've seen. SOO, my questions are:

Go 500 or 600?

Gas or Electric - Pros and Cons

Also, I see some heli's need a 7 channel transmitter...what is the 7th channel for?

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01-17-2009 05:07 PM  9 years agoPost 2
popiterflyer

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My .02 cents...

Electrics are great. I want a 500 myself. But the initial cost is just higher. I love my 50 and my 90 and even though the electrics are just as powerful there is something about the nitro. Go to the fields. Watch them fly. Can you afford to by 2-3 batteries? Its alot easier to bite 20 bucks for a gallon of fuel then it is for a 200+ battery.
THe 7th channel is for the governor also.

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01-17-2009 05:18 PM  9 years agoPost 3
bulldogs

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1st id say welcome to the $$$$ PIT

Electric or nitro well it will come down to your time.. If you have a 1/2 or full day a couple times a month then NITRO it should be but if you have little time and need to fly and go then ELECTRIC you should go.
The up keep of a nitro bird is alot more then Electric they dont clean them selves... Id head out to a club near by and see what others are flying and go from there. Have fun man !!!!

Also flight time is a factor all electric class helis get 4 to 6 min of flight.THATS IT ... Were nitro you can get 10 to 15 min of flight.

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01-17-2009 05:34 PM  9 years agoPost 4
predatorman

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Small Heli....go the Trex 450 route...maybe the 500?

Larger heli? get a gasser (petrol) way cheaper than nitro fuel...plus you can get longer flight times.

If you go electric...get the better battery packs...DONT buy crap ones...they let you down.

Quality takes........time!

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01-17-2009 05:36 PM  9 years agoPost 5
StevenT

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Doesn't matter if you crash under 4 mins.

The batteries survive crashes pretty well as long as you don't spike the heli, but how survivable are the nitro motors?

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01-17-2009 06:03 PM  9 years agoPost 6
500Driver

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You can't beat having a little T-Rex 450 (or other small electric)...I tend to have one in the car. Never know when you'll have a chance for a quick flight here and there.

Then...have your bigger nitros for the weekends you go to the field.

When in doubt...auto out

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01-17-2009 08:41 PM  9 years agoPost 7
JetFire

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even though the electrics are just as powerful there is something about the nitro
Yup. And this picture says it all and is worth a thousand words.


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01-17-2009 11:04 PM  9 years agoPost 8
predatorman

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The Nitro engines survive ok for the most part...I snapped a main needle once when I crashed..but that was all.

The Trex 450 series are handy, I fly mine where I work...nobody takes it as a serious hazard as its regarded as a toy...I dont mind

Quality takes........time!

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01-18-2009 01:03 AM  9 years agoPost 9
chopper_crazy

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I have transferred my whole fleet now to only electrics. No more nitros at least for right now. When I go to the field, I want to plug in a battery and fly no messing with the engine being too rich or too lean. Electrics are very predictable which is what I like. I charge all my packs at home (never bring a charger to the field) if I want more flights when I am there, I will just buy more batteries but so far I am happy with what I have. I currently fly a t-rex 250, 450SE V2, 500CF, and a 600ESP. There is also no fuel to wipe off or worry about fuel getting into the electronics. To me, these are all huge benefits and so far I really like it. I do think that if I ever want to get something bigger like a 90 size, I will go to electric. At that size, batteries get awfully expensive.

It's a complex, costly, glow powered anti-gravity machine!

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01-18-2009 04:12 AM  9 years agoPost 10
TK6411

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I like the convenience and reliability of electric. Nitro engines require more maintenance and tuning adjustments plus many places prohibit the noisier Nitro engine heli's so you are more likely to be limited to flying it at a local flying club field almost exclusively. I love Nitro but just find electric far more convenient and much less messy. No glow plugs to worry about...no wand starter, etc. Not big issues as I also fly Nitro war planes but I am forced to fly them only at my club field.

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01-18-2009 05:26 AM  9 years agoPost 11
mcfast

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I am transferring my whole fleet to gas, Helli's and planes, I used to have a lot of nitro, no more, some small planes are electric.

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01-18-2009 06:33 AM  9 years agoPost 12
rexxigpilot

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I'd say go with a 50 class nitro bird like a T-rex 600N, Vibe 50 or Raptor 50. I have many nitro and electric helis of various sizes. The electrics are great, but you don't get the flight time like on a nitro. So you had better buy many battery packs if you plan to fly much with any electric. Lipos take an hour+ to charge at the recommended 1C rate. Of course you could go with A123 cells and some other batteries that allow a faster charge rate, but the majority of people use standard lipos due to the energy density advantage they have over a A123 battery. Bottom line, the electrics are fine in the 450 size helis because the batteries are relatively inexpensive. But to maximize flight time with a larger bird, go nitro.

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01-18-2009 08:27 AM  9 years agoPost 13
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sees to me that the short flight times that all electrics tend to have makes it harder to really learn with as by the time you feel comfortable with the hovering its time to land this is my expieriance and i dont have alot of time to fly so i do have a small electric that i fly. bit love the smell of nitro in the morning smels like victory. and just learning the nitro seems worth the investment for me. also i can see that there will be no need for the 450 size helis soon as thay are small and for me hard to see at times. the 500 size is a bit larger and uses 2 of the same batteries the 450 uses. now batterys are expensive and i can buy 4 gallons of nitro for the price of one battery that can be destroyed if you fly a fue seconds to long. so electrics are not my bag but are a good base to start learning on.

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01-18-2009 08:49 AM  9 years agoPost 14
charliedoane

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I really like my trex 500. I can fly this almost anywhere and has the most flight time. I also own both a trex 600 electric and nitro. My Aurora 90 is great but somewhat costly to fly and even more costly to fix. The batteries for my trex 600 electric are very expensive.

If I had to do this all over again I would buy these two helis to start.

1) Trex 500
2) Trex 600 Nitro

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01-18-2009 11:42 AM  9 years agoPost 15
predatorman

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There you go...you can get say 20 mins of hovering/flying time with a nitro powered model...land and refuel and be back flying in as little as 5 mins or so...add a decent capacity flight pack and you could get 5 tankfuls easily...have a spare flight pack all freshly charged and a couple of gallons of nitro and you get a long flight session.

Thats right about the 450 size flight packs...they are generally a sensible price. I would like a 600 size model but the flight time doesnt seem to increase any.

Dont get me wrong, I think LiPos have revolutionised this hobby. I have Trex 450 and it is just outstanding, flies well in a breeze and is just so much fun...and its quiet so doesnt annoy anyone.

Quality takes........time!

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01-18-2009 01:00 PM  9 years agoPost 16
Storm07

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Well, I think in the long run, I'll end up flying mostly electric. But you all gave great insight on the two classes. I will probably buy a nitro 600 to use at the fields and use my electrics for home and everywhere else.

I'm really baseing this off rc cars. I used to race them and the electrics were fun, but no comparison to the gas powered. Night and day difference. I know heli's are abit different and the power is pretty much the same now thanks o the lipos, but...like Jetfire said....

"There is just something about nitro's....."

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01-18-2009 01:46 PM  9 years agoPost 17
50feet

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Also, I see some heli's need a 7 channel transmitter...what is the 7th channel for?
None really require more than 6. Electrics need like 5. The 7th is for a governor for nitro.

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01-18-2009 02:16 PM  9 years agoPost 18
Way2slow

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1 Aileron
2 Elevator
3 Throttle
4 Rudder
5 Gyro
6 Pitch
7 Governor
8 Co Pilot if you add one for photo work
9 Retracts if you add them

Just depends on how much heli you have. Although most people running a governor are doing 3D and not photo. The same with retracts, not many scale heli's running retracts are going to be needing a governor or have photo equipment under it.

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01-18-2009 02:39 PM  9 years agoPost 19
predatorman

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A governor is not that important...not for the learning stage or general buzzing around.

I fact you will learn a bit about tuning a nitro, governors can mask some potentially serious problems with mixture setting. For stunt flying such a device is of value, a nice constant rotor RPM will make for smoother transitions...there is nothing worse than trying to invert a heli with a bad rotor RPM...just rolls over upright again.

Quality takes........time!

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01-18-2009 02:39 PM  9 years agoPost 20
itsjojo

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Id head out to a club near by and see what others are flying and go from there.
This is a wise statement too. Since your learning, you'd be better suited showing up at the local field with a bird that others have knowledge of. That way they can help you.

Do you have your own field at home. I might fly a 500 if I had a field within 5 minutes of my home. I am stuck flying at a field 18 minutes away. That sounds very local but with a 600 Nitro, packing, unpacking traveling to/from fueling, flying, cleaning, packing/unpacking-(2nd time) I "Waste" about an hour and 10 minutes each trip, and that's not flying. Here in the northeast when it gets darker earlier in fall, I cant get to the field and fly nitro after work. Care to guess what I fly? My Trex 450 in a self contained case. That heli and the 500 w/case have a very unique feature (if you buy it)"the matching case". That is; GRAB IT AND GO! With no clean up.

With my Trex 450 being smaller I can grab the case go to a closer park and get 3 flights in, and get home in about 40 minutes total. Wow! I can see this happening several times a week.....

Now that's training.
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