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HomeAircraftHelicopterMain Discussion › Calling all 3D pros, what is your set up?
01-17-2009 04:41 AM  9 years agoPost 1
alexz

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So what is all in your heli? Like what heli kit, head parts and dampeners, main blades, paddles? What servos are you using.. and with what voltage reg and battery? What engine, pipe,and gov? Also, what tail blades,gyro,and servo? I hope this isn't to much to ask.

I know that this can and might change a lot for a pro at any given event. I still thought that it would be a lot more fun for me to fly a heli that's like a pro's.

That and it would be cool to see how many of you pros are watching.

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01-17-2009 04:55 AM  9 years agoPost 2
dkshema

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Look around here at what people fly. What 90% of the folks here on RR have for "their" setup is no different than what the "pros" have. After all, everyone wants the setup that Jason K, Danny or Alan S, or Bert K have, because if you have what THEY do, then you'll also be able to rip it up as well as they do.

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01-17-2009 05:22 AM  9 years agoPost 3
QuantumPSI

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I hear what you're saying dkshema, but I learned early on with this hobby that buying cheap isn't wise. Even when I couldn't fly competently, I definitely had a setup that a pro could thrash around. The main reason I did this, was not so that I could fly like a pro because of my equipment, but rather, as my skills progressed, I wouldn't have to upgrade anything. Once you get passed hovering and forward flight, progress is QUICK! And even the average joe pilot can outgrow standard servos quickly. Just wanted to add that.

...now where was I, dh/dt = BS-dx/dt
I will fly you forever... till earth do us part

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01-17-2009 05:51 AM  9 years agoPost 4
cudaboy_71

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+1 on that sentiment.

early on, i put my setups 'like the pros'...but, no i wasnt delusional in thinking it would magically give me some pro skills. the fact is there are so many variables in setup, at least getting hardware that has been verified to 'fly right' is a big step in the right direction---especially for a novice. it gets rid of the 'is it me or the helicopter?' question.

on the other hand, a complete noob spending $400 on a gyro/servo combo when a $200 gyro/servo combo will last them for a couple of years is debatable.

if it ain't broke, break it.

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01-17-2009 08:17 AM  9 years agoPost 5
Tail_BoomStrike

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The main reason I did this, was not so that I could fly like a pro because of my equipment, but rather, as my skills progressed, I wouldn't have to upgrade anything.
Just to comment, and I'm not instructing anyone how to spend their money..... True as you progress you may not have to spend extra for upgrade...... But, under normal wear and tear...... By the time you're ready for more advanced level of flying...... Your "hot stuff" electronics might be near the end of its "usable life"...... Meaning you're nearly have to replace them anyways.... But then again if money is not a question, by all means......

I never started outfitting mine with high end stuff until I reach the level when I could benefit from the extra performance it will provide..... But then again, it only lasted me a year and a half before it all started breaking down, that I have to replace 90% of all of it ..... They get beat up..... So, lesson I've learned, is to set aside funds for next upkeep..... I'm not gonna wait for a crash due to failure before I replace them..... I'll replace them after a year of service.......

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01-17-2009 12:24 PM  9 years agoPost 6
Jeff polisena

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QuantumPSI , I agree
Tail_BoomStrike , this is a good statement also but people progress faster now because of the support in more readily available. In the past (many years ago) you had 1 or 2 heli guys at clubs now it has grown so excelling is faster . Most pilots start hard 3D 2 to 3 months after hovering .

I stole it ,flew it and gave it back ;)

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01-17-2009 03:03 PM  9 years agoPost 7
cub2000

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I hear that people have their own preferences and you develop your own taste overtime. I hate to take time to develop my own taste overtime, so I research on what most people use and start from there as a baseline. Not claiming myself a pro, but here's my choice on my 50 size birds:

Main blades: SAB 600 non-tapered, C.Y. 600
Tail blades: Whichever CF 95mm I can find
Gyro combo: Spartan DS760 with Futaba S9254
Servos: Align DS610's all around (new kid in the block, but check out the specs and testimonials from people)

Good luck with whichever you decide.

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01-17-2009 04:22 PM  9 years agoPost 8
bigdog714

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By medium priced untill you learn to fly, a 8717 will hand grenade in a bad crash as easy as 821 at 1/5th the price. You will still crash after you learn, but it will be more controled, less damage, you learn when to bail instead of trying to save, it becomes second nature. There will be those times where it is completely out of your control, the results will be the same, pro or nooby. Risk is part of the thrill, one of the reasons we fly, don't take a foolish risk, keeping up with Jones's isn't always the best idea.

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01-17-2009 05:12 PM  9 years agoPost 9
QuantumPSI

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Fair enough bigdog, but I must admit, I've crashed my machines and with the exception of one crash (which is really my own fault, I shouldn't have mounted it where I did), I rarely do damage to the electronics (knock on wood). The damage I usually do is some stripped servo gears and a new case. I'm not saying that it can't happen, just that unless I'm plowing it straight in, I've found my electronics to survive all of my crashes.

Still, it doesn't detract from the point. Would I recommend high end servos and electronics to a complete beginner? No, definitely not and this applies for anyone who is still in the "crashing" stage of flying. But as stated before, with so much support now, it's really not too much of a "crime" to get high end stuff early on, especially if you remain disciplined and smart with your flying (simple precautions, don't fly beyond your ability unless you're up high, be patient, etc.).

Edit: With all that said, I don't feel the need to upgrade my machines to the latest and greatest. For example, all of my nitro machines run 9451's. The 8717's look nice, but is it worth $300+ to replace the 9451s on my machines? Not really. Same thing with the GY611 and spartan. Perhaps the Spartan is better, perhaps it's not, is it worth the effort to replace my gy611 (Which has served MANY very well up to this point)? Again, not really. Electronically speaking, the only "upgrade" that I would truly consider is flybarless. Not so much for better performance (cause I got more than I can handle) but rather because it turns your machine into a different animal. I've never flown flybarless but what I gather, they fly very differently than my flbared machines.

...now where was I, dh/dt = BS-dx/dt
I will fly you forever... till earth do us part

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01-17-2009 09:07 PM  9 years agoPost 10
dkshema

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Here's a thought...

Did you ever go to fun fly, fly-in, or contest, where some of the "hot dog 3D pilots were in attendance, and ever watch them take someone's machine, do a little setup magic, and then see them fly the pants off that heli?

Sure, great expensive equipment is part of the equation, but what it really boils down to is that the skills of the good and great 3D pilots allow them to make just about ANY installation look good in their hands.

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01-17-2009 09:45 PM  9 years agoPost 11
Funky Trex

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Yep, you don't need top equipment, you just need lots of practice.

About a year ago I took a bunch of spare parts and put back together my old Raptor. All of it was old equipment I had sitting around. 9252s, Worn out Hyper w/ MP2, 401/9254 and Revlock 10. I said something about how it wasn't flying that great so a buddy said he would test fly it for me.

Watch at YouTube

Looks like the problem was just me

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01-19-2009 12:14 AM  9 years agoPost 12
alexz

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cub 2000 thank you for your response to my posted question.

To all the rest thank you for not answering my Q,even though all good Ideas.

My post is for those who are pros. I thought it would be cool to see how many pros are reading, and to see how many would respond.

A nether big reason that I state this Q to the pros, is because of the amount of time energy that they have tide up in this hobby just about tromps all of are opinions.

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01-19-2009 05:56 AM  9 years agoPost 13
bigdog714

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A nether big reason that I state this Q to the pros, is because of the amount of time energy that they have tide up in this hobby just about tromps all of are opinions.
Just who the F*#k do you think you are making a statement like that, you don't me or anyone else here for that matter. I have invested a considerable amount of time and money into a hobby that I love, and I have respect for all who come here with the desire to fly, except for you, you two bit piece of S@%T.

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01-19-2009 08:31 AM  9 years agoPost 14
alexz

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look If you feel that you are in the pro class, Then answer the Q. If not than more power to ya. Ethier way I don't think that I ever made a statement directed to you. I'm sorry for hearting your feelings.

Like I said before I just thought that It would be cool to hear form some well known pros and there set ups.

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01-19-2009 01:28 PM  9 years agoPost 15
Avropilot

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look If you feel that you are in the pro class, Then answer the Q. If not than more power to ya. Ethier way I don't think that I ever made a statement directed to you. I'm sorry for hearting your feelings.

Like I said before I just thought that It would be cool to hear form some well known pros and there set ups.
Where on earth did you learn to spell? Your lack of knowledge regarding the RC hobby is what is keeping anyone from responding. Most "Pro's" are experts in setup and design. But they are not whom you are thinking of. The best are not the 3D pilots your hoping to hear from but the FAI Pros that fly competition and have 100% complete control over their machine at all times.

Many of them do not frequent this board. And if they did they probably wouldn't respond to someone posting here using high school text messaging grammar.

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01-19-2009 03:29 PM  9 years agoPost 16
alexz

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I guess that I'm hearting a lot of peoples feelings. Yes I spell like sh@@t thank you for pointing that out,and my punctuation is even worse than my spelling.OH and I'm the king when it comes to run on sentences. It's a good thing that I can use spell check.

So are there sponsored pros that frequent this sit. We all no that there's to many self proclaimers. Now maybe you can see that my post is not posted to heart any ones feelings rather a way to help weave threw a lot of B.S.

But even though I'm posting to pros to respond, doesn't mean that there's not a lot of vary experienced pilots and builders on this sit.

I just thought that it would be cool to hear from some well known names/pros.

But with all the bashing that this is getting I wouldn't excepted a "well known pro" to respond.

Matter of fact, this is probably why the pros are so hidden in this sit. For the fear,or the wanting to avoid a nether conflict.
Or the fear of being known to help a bad spelling heli enthusiast like me. Hell fire would rain down on them and they would be band for good. Or even stoned to death.

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01-19-2009 07:27 PM  9 years agoPost 17
helinelly

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why as this mans questions not been answered
it realy does get on my **** when someone asks for knowlage and gets crap back on RR....its not a compatition....just a simple this is what......anyhow heres my setup for 3d

trex600
12+0-12 pitch
align50 engine
8% on swash
hi tec 5645mg on cyclic
401/9253 tail
9257 throttle
revolution 600mm carbon blades
align 2 in 1
1900mah lipo
16% becra fuel
100,90.80.90.100 idle 1/2
0,27,58,80.98 normal

heay heay heay

if it broken.....glue the bast#$d...keep flying..i tell the wife my crashes cost £20! works for me

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01-19-2009 08:07 PM  9 years agoPost 18
alexz

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Thanks. I hope there well be some more set ups to see son.

So what dose it mean 8% on the swash? I have seen this before but never understood it to the full extent.

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01-19-2009 08:31 PM  9 years agoPost 19
helinelly

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hi alexz
The 8% corrisponds to the ammount of travel on your swash.you push your elevation/aileron forward/sidewards and its max degree tilt on your swash is around 8 degree's.....but for somtime i never even knew about the swash degree....but if your not a 3d flyer then these numbers are not realy essential in my eyes anyways......hope you get the answers your looking for.....kind regards helinelly

if it broken.....glue the bast#$d...keep flying..i tell the wife my crashes cost £20! works for me

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01-20-2009 01:29 AM  9 years agoPost 20
alexz

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Cool thanks. "Now I know and knowing is half the battle" G.I. Joe

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