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01-17-2009 02:59 AM  9 years agoPost 1
FlytilyaDrop

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I would like to ask some opinions on this, I hope this area is ok to talk about this.

But if not please close it Mark.

Would it not be fair to just describe the item for sale the way it truly is?
I just got back into the hobby, and I have spent a great deal of money for some here, and I am happy to help do my part by giving my money to others here first for what they have to sell.

But I am finding it hard to spend more due to a recent deal I did with a fellow that feels its not important to disclose in his add the true condition of the item but will only do so if asked.

Why I ask, should we have to ask if the person selling already knows and should list it.

Is everyone saying that as long as the part is ok at the time of sale its ok to still sell an item that could be bad over the next two or three flights then goes bad.
Yea if we each dont do our part to make sure its a good item before we buy its our fault I know this, but would it not be easier to know stuff up front as we cant touch it, roll it over in our hands before we pass over our money, pics can be deceiving.
I worry about newbie's that will get junk and not know what to ask to protect themselves.

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01-17-2009 03:05 AM  9 years agoPost 2
Steff Giguere

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I agree.

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01-17-2009 03:15 AM  9 years agoPost 3
Anthony.L

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This is why I SELL in the classifieds and buy NEW.

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01-17-2009 03:34 AM  9 years agoPost 4
Helifat

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+1
I mean if somebody wants to sale something why just not describe the condition of the item if they want it sold. But no, they just keep bumping it and struggle to sale. Why? no description.

People needs motivation.

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01-17-2009 03:43 AM  9 years agoPost 5
legoman67

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http://runryder.com/t486747p1/

that is what he is referencing to, this guy expects everyone to take anything they are selling appart as far as it goes, inspect each peice with a magnifying glass, take pictures of every part, and put it all back together and have it working and looking like a brand new item when he gets it.

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01-17-2009 04:17 AM  9 years agoPost 6
Hayes

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It's just that. Why not or at least after you sale it stand behind it... If your buying an engine you want them to pull the head and the backing plate so you can inspect the bearings, piston and sleeve....

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01-17-2009 04:34 AM  9 years agoPost 7
dkshema

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When buying ANYTHING used, unless you personally KNOW the seller, or can see the stuff up front, in person, the age-old adage of "caveat-emptor" -- let the buyer beware -- just plain makes sense.

Sellers want to get "top dollar". Buyers are looking for a "real bargain". What you actually get is somewhere in between.

Most people tend to think of their used stuff as being in "excellent condition". Many buyers tend to expect perfection from used equipment.

One man's "perfect condition" may be someone else's "this is junk".

And some people are just in the business to rip people off.

If Mark could solve your problem, he would be filthy rich, people would be beating a path to his door to find his secret.

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01-17-2009 04:42 AM  9 years agoPost 8
DarkSide41

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Things can easily go either way . There are many buyers that claim something was bad even though they did the damage themselves . Gotta love the internet though

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01-17-2009 05:37 AM  9 years agoPost 9
FlytilyaDrop

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legoman
I will disagree, I just bought a gyro from a person here, paid a fair price for it, had two small cuts in the wires but only in the plastic, not into the copper wires, servo that came with it had two very small cuts in the wires as well.

It was described as very clean no damage at all, showed signs of wear, but I only told the seller week after getting it to better inspect the item before sale.

I kept it, did not want to send it back, and the seller apologized, said he would make it right, I told him he did make it right with me when he apologized and said he would make it right.

I only feel truly that to look over the item, especially electrical items, share good info, and allow us to check further into it, or pass.
I just bought a heli, once I got it, found that the clutch has to be sent to MA to be rebuilt, canopy rebuild twice, but over all I told the seller it still was a good deal.
I only ask to share up front the obvious, silicone is obvious, missing parts obvious, visual damage obvious, your own knowledge.
Do you feel this is asking to much??

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01-17-2009 08:31 AM  9 years agoPost 10
tadawson

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Look at most advertising in the world today . . . 90% pure B/S and 10% truth, *IF* you are lucky! And you wonder why folks do the same thing here, when they basically swim in it 24/7/365 . . .

Yeah, it's sad, yeah, it sucks, but until commercial ventures can manage to come clean, I don't see a prayer of it happening to Joe Public . . .

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01-17-2009 09:48 AM  9 years agoPost 11
Ray Fernandez

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When buying ANYTHING used, unless you personally KNOW the seller, or can see the stuff up front, in person, the age-old adage of "caveat-emptor" -- let the buyer beware -- just plain makes sense.

Sellers want to get "top dollar". Buyers are looking for a "real bargain". What you actually get is somewhere in between.

Most people tend to think of their used stuff as being in "excellent condition". Many buyers tend to expect perfection from used equipment.

One man's "perfect condition" may be someone else's "this is junk".

And some people are just in the business to rip people off.
This is something I wholeheartedly agree with. Ask questions before you buy. And unless you know the person, be wary of what you want to purchase. I really think that we all get into the "shark frenzy" when we see a good deal, in that we all want it "now" and will bite on the deal ASAP.

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01-17-2009 03:04 PM  9 years agoPost 12
Dilbeck

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dkshema sums it up, Its no different than a retailer or seller posting a price for a car @ $29,999.99, or buying a shirt for $14.99, most people that do this 9999 pricing are in fact trying to make their price seem lower. Does $29,999.99 look or seem lower than $30,000.00? Walmart is the only retailer I know of that prices things like $2.15/$3.67/$27.25. Its all marketing BS to make something look better than it is with the slide of the hand.

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01-17-2009 03:20 PM  9 years agoPost 13
SGrim80

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Anthony.L This is why I SELL in the classifieds and buy NEW.
X2!

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01-17-2009 03:24 PM  9 years agoPost 14
PBusch

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I only buy new too, there's too many people (in general) that full of crap to some degree.

I think a lot of us think the same thing which actually brings the price of used stuff down a bit, kind of ironic isn't it?

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01-17-2009 05:24 PM  9 years agoPost 15
FlytilyaDrop

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I thank everyone for your opinions on this and I promise I did learn alot, coming back into this hobby, and to here is a very good thing for me, great mind set to mess around with my little kid heart.

I cant find myself not wanting to buy used here, the honest ones deserve to have us buy used to help their part of the hobby.

You should all see the two RX I have now used from here, one from the first deal, and the second from the other person here.

We cant stop buying from the good ones, they did nothing wrong, and have gone the extra step to sell a good product to us.
I call on everyone for this, and I have thought about it long and hard.

If you sell on your add it must say this or we all police you and tell you to post these items for all to see, real easy.

1. Item description.
2. Pictures of all visual damage, and its history, where you bought it from, crashes etc.
3. IF any Missing parts.
4. And if it has been jimmy rigged in any way, or modified.

This will tell the buyer any info prudent, and second when the seller sells the item and damage shows up, the pictures on the add will show it or not, its a protection for both parties.
And no more PMing the information to each other so the readers dont see what information about the item is being talked about.
When I came on here several years ago, in the post of where its being sold was listed for all to see, now I see more PM than anything.
Sorry everyone with junk to sell, no more hiding.
SHOW US what you have to sell dont hide important information behind the computer.

Thoughts anyone.

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01-17-2009 06:32 PM  9 years agoPost 16
GyroFreak

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When I sell something, I try to take all the pics anybody would want.
I describe it the best that I can.
I usually offer a money back refund, minus the shipping charges.
I supply tracking number when available.
I immediately email them when it is shipped.

And as Funky says below... PLEASE ask any questions by PM...

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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01-17-2009 06:37 PM  9 years agoPost 17
Funky Trex

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If you sell on your add it must say this or we all police you and tell you to post these items for all to see, real easy.
We don't need anyone to "police" the classifieds.... especially when you aren't even interested in purchasing the item If you want to buy an item in the classifieds and you have these questions, send a PM. Seems pretty simple to me.

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01-17-2009 07:12 PM  9 years agoPost 18
FlytilyaDrop

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I feel PM's is a way to hide what is being sold, if I was looking to buy an item for now on, or I am new here I learn from the questions being asked of the item being sold.

If it has anything to do with the items I stated above we should post it, not PM it.

The details of the sale, money, addresses, etc to complete the transaction should be PM, Private Message, selling an item to the public here is not private.

Just my thoughts here, I kinda feel the ones that dont want information posted feel it may take away from the value, I disagree, as it could help it in value, and for sure expose the junk being sold.

Mark ryder says if you dont follow the rules in posting or selling here you can get banded from the site, not doing our part to protect our fellow hobbyist should have the same consequences.

To many people dont know what they are doing, and can get scammed due to not being knowledged in this hobby.

Just passing some ideas around.

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01-17-2009 08:49 PM  9 years agoPost 19
merlin3

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I somewhat agree here. I bought a vibe 50 on here for what I thought was a pretty good deal. I got thing and every single canopy mount is broken and glued back together along with random other half ass stuff. Also bought a used aurora on here that turned out to be a pre-production aurora with half the parts needing replaced. So far haven't been too happy with the last couple transactions.

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01-17-2009 09:22 PM  9 years agoPost 20
PBusch

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Its cheaper to buy new.

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