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01-18-2009 02:08 AM  9 years agoPost 21
LonRrrElite Veteran - Macomb,Mi - My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

I know just how you guys feel.I traded my Trex 450 (brand new everything) RTF for a Raptor 50 that was said to be perfect ---> http://www.rcuniverse.com/market/item.cfm?itemId=462816 .The ad said "Flies great and 3ds very well and a fair amount of parts".I expected to get a nicely built heli with some crash parts,Well when I got it I didnt get any spare parts other than a tail fin that was glued cause it was broke in half and some ball links.The CF blades were coming apart in the middle and soft,it needed a whole crash kit cause everything other than the boom was bent.O-yeah,I had to replace the bearring in the motor also.I pretty much traded a $900.00 dollar brand new heli that I hovered once setting the tail up with a ton of new extra parts for a $300.00 dollar heli .I even cracked the canopy right before shipping os went right to the hobby shop and bought a new one.My feed back on that sight speeks for its self.Ive NEVER screwed anyone and never will cause its not right and some people need to have there azz whooped for doing people like this.I was lucky to get $50.00 bucks out of this guy but that dose not cover the other $150.00 I lost.I sold my Raptor 30 I just dumped $600.00 dollars into cause I needed money for my car and that guy got me for $50.00 bucks cause he tryed to say everything was junk and used.If I had to add up all the money people got me for I would rip my hair out .Some people are worthless and have no feelings for anyone ealse but there self.





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01-18-2009 02:16 AM  9 years agoPost 22
ch-47c

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Hayes, not everyone has a strong ethic as you. It is a sign of the times that so many people in all levels of American society have no qualms about lying, stealing or cheating.

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01-18-2009 02:35 AM  9 years agoPost 23
Yug

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What's this specifically got to do with America ? It's a problem experienced by many world wide. America is just one country in our world and many have had similar issues when buying 2nd hand.

Vegetable rights and Peace

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01-18-2009 02:39 AM  9 years agoPost 24
FlytilyaDrop

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Hello everyone Bret here, and yes I am showing my name because I dont have anything to hide.

I want to thank everyone for your posts and ideas, and you have shown in your words how bad it can be here at times.
I some times wonder if the one's selling junk here are one's trying to help out retailers.
I say this because it dont make any sense why its so hard to just say you have dimples or dents on the item, silicone on a part you sell because its missing parts and passed off that the silicone was used to protect the rx from getting fuel in it, thats what hard boxes for only 10 bucks, hard boxes also protect the rx.
I run an auto body repair facility and I know how important it is to take care of your customers, if you do, they keep coming back.
I only feel strongly that if you dont discribe the obvious, then you are missleading.
Yes we can ask, and examine, do what we have to do to protect ourselves before we buy.

But really everyone should we have to, everyone here are to help one another, why cant we just do what is right, and fair?????

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01-18-2009 03:17 AM  9 years agoPost 25
billm

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I know your still venting. But a bit of good news.
I got my EVO 90 with a pumped motor and all the head bling one could ask for. I had to send the money up front (2k) and waited.
The ship is in my hands and it is awsome. Sometimes you get what you pay for. Again I'm still waiting for the chap that stiffed me for some blades I sent him.

My name is Billm. Cough, and I'm a Heli Holic

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01-18-2009 04:05 AM  9 years agoPost 26
Footey

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You are always going to get guys that stretch the truth when selling old stuff, I have purchased things second hand before and wonder if the thing was the same as the photo I saw online. I will only buy second hand stuff if I can see it before I hand over my money.
I drove 100miles to look at a plane once and just as well I did because it was a right heap of junk and the wing span had srunk some 18". I would have been oissed if I had paid the money and that turned up. Same goes for helis, everything always looks good on the internet but in real life it never is. You need to make sure you pay a second hand price thats for sure.

Life is like a bath, the longer you stay in it the more wrinkled you get.

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01-18-2009 07:44 AM  9 years agoPost 27
RadioFlyerMk

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When it comes to dealing on the internet with anything used, both sides take a risk, and that is how it will be unless you make a visit in person. As for selling, everyone agrees that the seller should be honest and post an accurate description. The buyer, who does stand behind their sale, is also at risk though. I sold an item that I knew to be in good working order and like new condition and it was protectively packaged. I got a PM back saying it did not work. What am I to do. I KNOW it was working flawlessly when it left. As it turns out it was operator error on the buyers end and all was fine. But who is to say that something like that didn't get hooked up wrong and now it doesn't work, especially when I know for fact that it did work. I say as long as the seller accurately describes the item then the buyer owns it. I describe, package, and ship, once it is in the hands of the post office it's on the buyer, he/she should have paid for insurance, although I do purchase insurance because some people don't care to.
Risk on both sides, but that is something that comes with dealing online. Of course, my opinion is completely biased as I have not been ripped off and I do not and will not sell something descirbed as better than what it is. And I would never send out something that I know to be faulty, unless it is sold that way from the word go.

And ....since we are venting...why is it that people still have not learned that if you don't like someones price, simply click the back button and keep looking! I don't think I have had that on this site personally, but I have seen others that have, in fact there is an ad posted now that has bascially been hijacked by someone's opinion ....again!
And then....I love how there is a good price on an item, and the going price includes shipping and lets face it, paypal fee's, but still yet, people are inclined to insult the seller by offering a rediculously low price, and they wonder why they get no response. For me, no reponse is probably better considering what I really want to tell them.
And if your gonna PM someone with a lowball offer, don't respond to the ad in any way because it may stop someone else from jumping in thinking it is sold.
If your buying online, new or used, be mindful that is does take time to package, not to mention supplies to package and then there is the cost of actual shipping. $10 or $15 doesn't sound like a lot, but if your leaving the hobby, like I am (for Now, we all know the addiction here) be mindful of shipping costs and time. I don't ask to be reimbursed for my time, I figure that if I am selling it is my responsibility to make sure it is properly packaged...but still it takes time and supplies to get it done. That is the one thing I like about ebay, the buyer covers shipping where as on here, most all items are sold as a shipped price. Again, it is a risk, on both ends...period. By the way, if there is ever anyone ripped off from a seller in my area, PM me if I can help get things straight. Good luck and glad to vent!

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01-18-2009 09:07 AM  9 years agoPost 28
Helinutnz

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always remember the adage "one mans junk is another mans treasure" And indeed one could say one mans treasure is another mans junk.

That is what SH buying is all about. Caveat emptor.....let the buyer beware. Been around since time began. Get pics...read feedback...ask questions.

People have different perceptions about what is quailty and what is not. One may think his item for sale is a 9 out of ten when another may think it's a 3 out of ten. A rubber grommet missing with silicone placed around the hole is to me a 1 out of ten. I wouldn't sell it like that unless I advertised it that way...Buy at your own risk....here is the damage....you decide.

So I agree with you sellers should be accurate and honest in all their dealings but not all are and some just have a different perception of fairness. Buyers should be equally careful.

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01-18-2009 12:55 PM  9 years agoPost 29
ch-47c

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What's this specifically got to do with America ? It's a problem experienced by many world wide. America is just one country in our world and many have had similar issues when buying 2nd hand.
Well the original poster is from Moab, Utah. I've been to Utah about 500 times and the people of Utah are generally more honest than the rest of American society. I didn't intend it to sound exclusionary toward the rest of the world especially Great Britain as I found the English more civilized than most of us in the colonies.

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01-18-2009 01:27 PM  9 years agoPost 30
RYOTGEAR

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All this!! Over a rec with a weak connection.Feels like a plank club,kind of ridiculous.There is probably a lawyer sitting on the sideline looking for the money right now.

MATTER SET FREE

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01-18-2009 02:53 PM  9 years agoPost 31
neilg.

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if you think about it. if someone is selling 5 digital servos for 12 each you can go out and buy 5 new ones for about 20 in change. and i bet 1 of em is bad. and if you are using them as spares you will never know for a very long time 1 is bad.

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01-18-2009 05:17 PM  9 years agoPost 32
FlytilyaDrop

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RYOTGEAR All this!! Over a rec with a weak connection.Feels like a plank club,kind of ridiculous.There is probably a lawyer sitting on the sideline looking for the money right now.

MATTER SET FREE
All this over a RX with a weak condition, or is it over an issue that is as you can see reading above over many more items as people coming forward and sharing their experiences.

And maybe you have a point ryotgear, maybe if the ones being dishonest knew a lawyer was watching maybe they will shape up.
I dont know, what does it take to make a person be honest in his dealings, and have integrity??

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01-18-2009 07:24 PM  9 years agoPost 33
Mutt

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what does it take to make a person be honest in his dealings, and have integrity??
They have to be taught that. They more then likely saw thier parents screw others over so they figure its fine and dandy. Some people will never know what honesty and integrity ever is.

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01-18-2009 08:41 PM  9 years agoPost 34
Helinutnz

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And maybe you have a point ryotgear, maybe if the ones being dishonest knew a lawyer was watching maybe they will shape up.
I know this is a joke but seriously....you guys would sue for anything!!!!

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01-19-2009 12:37 AM  9 years agoPost 35
RadioFlyerMk

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My best advice is like others already said. Do your homework checking feedback, etc. But for me, I use my instincts mostly and it has not failed me yet. You can tell by what they say, or sometimes, what they don't say, and how they respond. And if any question comes to mind, keep looing because you will find the same or similar deal a few posts away. I have caught a few on here trying to pull some bloopers and I called them out on it and warned others who responded to the ad. That seemed to work because the person left and has not been heard of since. Just be careful.

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01-20-2009 07:17 PM  9 years agoPost 36
Ronald Thomas

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I hope this is not a hijack (please forgive me if it is) but I have to run this situation by you guys:
I sold a Heli RTF a few 7 months ago and I get a pm from the new owner that says he decided to "send the ESC in for a thorough check" before he used it and the service center said it was "faulty"....no other explanation. I flew the heli the DAY BEFORE I sold it so I know it was good and I bought it new a few months before I sold it. The new owner says that he got the heli, disassembled it, inspected it, and it had been sitting in pieces since and has not been flown because he is still in the "sim stage" Now he wants me to foot the bill for the repair of the ESC because he said it looked used.......it was....I used it! He said the label looked worn like it had been used before and I told him that series of ESC's heatsink is on the non-stickered side of the ESC and if you want to mount it properly (so that it dissipates heat properly), you have to mount it label side down, thus the worn look.
Am I in the wrong here? I mean 7 months later!!! I don't really know him very well and I am a little suspicious. How do I know that he didn't fly the heli, crash it, and that is why it is being "inspected" and the ESC is being "checked".........Ron

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01-20-2009 07:33 PM  9 years agoPost 37
YSRRider

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A broken antenna on an Rx is no big deal, if thats the only problem with it the seller should replace it before sale or at the very least include a new one with it!

people that do crap like that should have their rights to reproduce REVOKED!!!

The old I get the more I see WHY 90% of the US makes less than $30,000 a year, because they are all brainless!

VOTE OBAMA!

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01-20-2009 07:39 PM  9 years agoPost 38
altima1779

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I think that it sounds a little fishy, why would he send it in to be checked if he never flew it? If you feel compelled to go above and beyond what any retail store would do, i would have him send the esc back to you and then figure out what that unit sells for used and refund that amount of money. Then again like you said who is to say he didn't damage the esc himself.

If he bought it new from heliproz, would they refund the money after 7 months or would he go through the manufacturer? He bought a used item and should know that when buying second hand items they do not come with a warranty and that 7 months is a little late do ask for a refund or send a repair bill.

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01-20-2009 07:57 PM  9 years agoPost 39
YSRRider

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FlyingHigh450 - I got screwed on my first helicopter, I traded some retarded kid in GILETTE WYOMING, his name was TONY SLACK I believe and he worked at the local hobby shop, I traded him a an 1/8 scale R/C car for a LIKE NEW CONCEPT 30 SR that had only been flown 5 times. I felt like I was sticking him in the @$$ so I spent another $100 on a body, new air filter, new rims and tires... few other misc parts.

The heli was a beat to crap Concept DX, motor was brown and crusty, foam blades that were destroyed, T5NLH radio that looked like it had fallen down 5 flights of stairs and hit every one on the way down and the servos looked like something that came out of your first trainer airplane that you crashed twice a weekend during your first flying season.

If I wasnt 1000 miles away I would have drove to TONY's hobby shop and pulled him over the counter by his throat and kicked him in the mouth.
I've never screwed anyone over intentionally. And if someone felt that I gave them the short end of the stick I went back and made good on it.... it makes me sleep better at night! How do you NOT KNOW that you are sending someone a piece of junk? Are they that oblivious?

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01-20-2009 08:40 PM  9 years agoPost 40
LonR

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YSRRider
I hear ya man.Im in no shape to work and never will cause I have major med problems with my back so I ended up getting into helis about 1 year ago.For me I have no choice but to buy used stuff 80% of the time.My poor wife pays all our bills and helpe me with what she can when I need somthing for my heli.When I traded my Trex 450 for my raptor and it showed up at my door my blood presser went through the roof when I opened the box and seen all the bent stuff .This guy was a good example,you can do all the asking questions and looking at there feed back you want and that dose not mean sh%t.He has perfect feed back,no problems talking over the phone or through emails so I was like cool this is going to work out .He made it sound like it was perfect over the phone,through emails and in his ad http://www.rcuniverse.com/market/item.cfm?itemId=462816 .Just look at the pics I posted and read his ad .The whole heli was a wreck and when I ask him about all the bent stuff he tells me "I knew the fly bar was bent but I thought I bent it back strait and the CF blades flew grate for 3D.The bearing were find,well I didnt hear anything.".I asked about the extra parts his ad said it comes with cause I didnt get ANY but he never awnsered the question the 7 times I asked.I had enough money to buy the things I needed to be in the air in less than 1 week but its been about a month now and im still looking for stuff .Some people just dont care,as long as they got what they want there happy and screw the other person .The thing thats really messed up is theres young kids (13-16 years old) getting into the rc hobby buying used stuff cause they cant buy it new and theres grown azz men out there screwing some poor kid over and dont even care.Some people cant be honest about there stuff and thats really sad.If a man cant keep his word then hes nothing but a POS looser in my book.
BTW,he did send me a $50.00 dollar check but that didnt even cover half of what I had to put into it to get the heli to the way it should be.I give him good feed back cause I know I would have gotton bad feed back if I give it to him,ive learned that thats how some people are BUT I have no problems putting that person out there like this and hope that if theres anyone interested in dealing with him knows what there getting into ..

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