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01-17-2009 02:47 AM  9 years agoPost 1
Hayes

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Moab, Utah

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Hi Guys,
I'm going to vent.. I have been watching somethings go on here on RR and would like to say a little about it....... I feel a little responsible for what is going on. I have a friend that bought a rec. here in the classifieds and when he got the rec. it was pretty beat up and was missing the rubber grommet where the antenna runs into the case and there was a bunch of silicone on it. So I told him to open the case and inspect it. Well he found that the antenna was hanging on by 3 or 4 wires and I know in the next couple of flights it would of stopped working and there would of been a crash and a chance of someone getting hurt. The seller is saying the the rec range checked just fine and that the buyer did the damage. IMO from the condition of the rec. when it arrived I'm sure the damage was already there....
Anyway what I'm am getting to is STAND BEHIND WHAT YOU SALE I do and I'm sure that most of you do.... When I sale something if for any reason the buyer has a problem I offer to make it right.
Please give me your input. Am I wrong to want someone to stand behind what they sale????
Thanks,
Marc

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01-17-2009 02:53 AM  9 years agoPost 2
JimmyC

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I think some people sell things hoping the buyer doesn't find the problem. I understand somethings get sold without the seller knowing it's bad, but some things are just to obvious.

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01-17-2009 03:10 AM  9 years agoPost 3
billm

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I sent a bunch of blades to a wessel in BC. He never paid me.

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01-17-2009 03:14 AM  9 years agoPost 4
Mutt

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When I sale something if for any reason the buyer has a problem I offer to make it right.
Not everyone thinks or works that way these days sad but true.

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01-17-2009 03:17 AM  9 years agoPost 5
altima1779

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Toledo, oh u.s

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He could have very well not have know about the condition of the receiver on the inside. I know i have sold a lot of stuff and most of the time i do not take things apart to inspect the item. It is also a very common practice to use silicon or shoegoe on the base of antenna to relive stress.

Having said that he should also be willing to issue a refund to the buyer, or depending on the price of the item it may be better for the buyer to repair the item if he can and maybe ask for a partial refund for his time.

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01-17-2009 03:30 AM  9 years agoPost 6
AltecLansing

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North Carolina

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For those that know your stuff is just trash, I wish you would just say that when you sell it. I've had experiences where I bought trash from someone. And the items were obvious that they were trash after closer examination or testing. But I have a tendency to wait a while before testing an item and sometimes I wait to long to do anything about it. But some people know they are just selling their trash. I like good used, or used that is repairable as long as I'm told it is. I just paid 150 for two electronic items to be repaired that were bad and it was obvious when plugged in. So, I gave someone money for their trash. Now, I try to test things shortly after I receive them and some things I just don't buy any more as I've had bad luck with buying them used. I sell things and I put up pictures of what I sell, and I try to answer questions. If there's a problem that I deem as need to know, I let people know. I don't think a chipped piece of plastic in a non stress area is something that is a need to know, but I usually show that in a pic, also.

Man, I miss the eighties.

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01-17-2009 03:34 AM  9 years agoPost 7
Whopper Chopper

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As for me, I stand by what I sell. I sold a gyro and the buyer waited three months to test it. I finally got a PM saying "It doesnt work and I would like a refund". Well I issued the refund and received the gyro a few days later. To my avail, I had accidently sliced the yellow wire which caused the gyro to work sporadically. I had no knowledge because it worked when I tested. Go figure

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01-17-2009 03:39 AM  9 years agoPost 8
AltecLansing

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Whopper Chopper
As for me, I stand by what I sell. I sold a gyro and the buyer waited three months to test it. I finally got a PM saying "It doesnt work and I would like a refund". Well I issued the refund and received the gyro a few days later. To my avail, I had accidently sliced the yellow wire which caused the gyro to work sporadically. I had no knowledge because it worked when I tested. Go figure
That's very nice of you to do that. Below is a thread getting people's opinion about waiting a long time to test something.

http://www.runryder.com/t482940p1/

Man, I miss the eighties.

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01-17-2009 03:45 AM  9 years agoPost 9
chopper_crazy

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I too have always stood behind what I sell. With these hard times, every dollar counts. I think that if you are going to sell something on here you should represent it exactly how it is, not try to sugar coat it to get that extra buck or too. I talk to guys on these forums like they are my personal friend. Would you ever screw over your friend just to make a quick buck? I know I wouldn't and I feel sorry for those who need to do this. This hobby is already expensive and I don't want to take advantage of anyone or anything or be taken advantage of. Thats not how friendship works.

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01-17-2009 04:22 AM  9 years agoPost 10
Hayes

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I think that if you are going to sell something on here you should represent it exactly how it is, not try to sugar coat it to get that extra buck or too. I talk to guys on these forums like they are my personal friend. Would you ever screw over your friend just to make a quick buck? I know I wouldn't and I feel sorry for those who need to do this. This hobby is already expensive and I don't want to take advantage of anyone or anything or be taken advantage of. Thats not how friendship works.
Thank you chopper_crazy..... Now that's what I'm talking about.....

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01-17-2009 04:54 AM  9 years agoPost 11
DarkSide41

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Sylacauga Alabama USA

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Exactly what measures do you sellers ( the ones that offer refunds ) do to ensure the buyers are not ripping you off ? Sadly there are those that will crash an item the same day they receive it or destroy something simply by hooking it up incorrectly and claim it was bad upon arrival .

I can tell you that I would stand behind what I sell 100% and always have but all bets are off the second someone tampers with the item first , especially electronics ..

" The biggest threat to our freedom is not from foreign terrorist , but domestic morons"

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01-17-2009 05:13 AM  9 years agoPost 12
irocu88

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norfolk,va

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I agree %100 you should stand behind you sell and It seems to me you should be testing things before they are sent to buyer so you know it worked at the time of shipping not, well it worked when it was removed a year ago or whatever and go from there. Every situation is different and would handled as such. I know the condition of the items I sell as most do, although I doubt anyone opens and inspects electronic internals. just my 2 cents.

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01-17-2009 05:16 AM  9 years agoPost 13
Hayes

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If someone pm's me and tells me they have found something wrong with what I sold them I take them at there word because there not trying to make a buck and yes there are the people that will do what your talking about but no where near the amount of people that will conseil something to sale it to make that buck...

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01-17-2009 05:24 AM  9 years agoPost 14
Whopper Chopper

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Exactly what measures do you sellers ( the ones that offer refunds ) do to ensure the buyers are not ripping you off ?
I always do a little tamper control by:

1. Darken scuffed screws with a Sharpie - a tampering screwdriver is sure to knock to marker right off..

2. Then there is the old secret mark that you can only find with the hubble telescope (but I sure know where it is).

3. Always record serial numbers

This has proven effective during my tenure as honest salesman..

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01-17-2009 09:30 PM  9 years agoPost 15
GMPheli

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I too, have had my share of items that were not as advertised. Photos taken carefully to cover damage, it is obvious when you get the item that the seller was aware of the shortfalls and knowingly missled you. When you tell them about it they don't want to make it right. The best one I had was a swashplate that the seller said was perfectly fine. When I got it the ball would hardly move. Turns out the setscrews that held the ball assembly in place were overtightened. I e-mailed the seller and told him and he said he couldn't figure out why it was so tight, but he never told me! I bought a whole tail assembly once and the pic of the whole thing was taken from above to cover the bend in the boom. The boom and TT where both bent. The seller denied knowing that it was bent. All you had to do was look at it! All we can do is use the good guy list as a bad guy list too!!!! If someone isn't honest then post it. Soon he won't be able to sell anything to anyone. A bad rep is a hard thing to turn around. I wished I had done this in the past and will do so from know on.

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01-17-2009 10:09 PM  9 years agoPost 16
airboss

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there is always going to be the not so honest guy out there that figures the buyer wont say or notice anything.buyer beware....

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01-17-2009 10:42 PM  9 years agoPost 17
neilg.

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north of borston

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if you use paypal, can't you dispute it. and i believe in the honor system. i did 2 sales, both had money in my account and i shipped stuff out. no problems at all.

but, if it is used, everyone has a different perspective on what used means. so i am not defending the seller and am not defending the buyer.

Caveat Emptor

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01-18-2009 12:45 AM  9 years agoPost 18
Dilbeck

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Springdale Arkansas

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I never ever buy used, First off, helis can be dangerous and not to mention expensive to crash due to bad parts. I have looked at many of the parts in the classifieds and dont see that much of a savings if any over new, not to mention the warranty. I have always purchased new and never ever had an issue!!! Someone is always looking for the best price. Consider this, My boss spent a entire day looking for sconces for a theater room, found the ones he liked and then looked everywhere to get the best price. As luck would have it he found them on the internet for $10.00 less per light, (free shipping and no taxes) then they were locally. Guess what? He got them 6 days later and 2 out of the 6 were broken and all 6 were the wrong color. He called to complain and you can only imagine how that went. 8 weeks latter he got just what he wanted. He spent 1 1/2 days shopping around after he found the lights he wanted locally only then to save $60.00. Then spent another 6 weeks mucking around with the damage. Over all I figured he lost over $600.00 in lost time to save $60.00. Its not worth the aggravation!!

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01-18-2009 01:01 AM  9 years agoPost 19
Yug

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Buying 2nd hand is asking for trouble if you aren't happy to strip down and do what is required bring the item back to top condition. However, buying new also presents some similar issues, so at the end of the day, attention to detail in your build is paramount. There is only one person you can trust - yourself.

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01-18-2009 01:11 AM  9 years agoPost 20
GMPheli

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The vast majority of what I have is used. And most of the stuff I have bought has been exactly as described. It's just the few bad ones that leave a bad taste in your mouth. Overall I most definitely have come out ahead. I try to always leave good feedback for a good deal. If you do take the time and check the guy out you will be fine. It's just when you get lazy, particularly on the small dollar stuff that it seems to happen to me. I don't have to have the latest and greatest stuff, so a lot of times there are real good deals on stuff that is just fine because people are upgrading. It is up to you to inspect it and make sure it is flightworthy. Everything I buy used is totally dissasembled and scrutinized.
If you are selling something, please just examine the item and point out the flaws...no matter how insignigicant they seem to you!!!

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