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01-17-2009 02:33 AM  9 years agoPost 1
diecast

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Hi I'm new here and a newbie to the heli world I was thinking of getting the Rave 450 is it good for a beginner heli or should I just get a vibe 50 because I know it would be more stable.I was also thinking maybe the logo 400 or may be the trex 500. I know this is a Rave topic forum but I just threw everything out there at one time just to get some opinions but I really want the Rave 450 and can you get one with out the tt. I will take everybody opinions into consideration making my choice. I know I have expensive taste for a beginner but as the saying goes you get what you pay for I just want a quality heli that I can grow with for awhile Thank for your HELP

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01-17-2009 02:47 AM  9 years agoPost 2
greg

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You can set it up to be very stable. I would get some help with the setup from some one with experience. The larger the heli the more stable such as the Vibe 50, but the Rave would be much more cost effective on crashes. The Rave is only available with a TT but why would you want a belt drive?

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01-17-2009 02:52 AM  9 years agoPost 3
diecast

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As a Beginner I would probably strip the tt gears every time I try to fly the bird

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01-17-2009 10:27 AM  9 years agoPost 4
JSX

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Hello,
I don't have it yet, but I'm sure the quality parts and flying qualities are awesome. Look at pics and videos So it's an heli you can keep for a very long time. I start on a 3DX450 with cheaper price, but cheaper quality too. And now I just selled it after two months only to get the Rave. Rave parts pricing is in the range of Trex450, so it's not so expensive. The kit can seems hungry in money, but quality is really here and you've got a Scorpion and Next-D blades.
These are some good reason to choose this heli.
But the downside for beginners is certainly the torquetube which don't allow errors.
A good thing for you will be to install a beginner kit(don't know the good term sorry) or a cross made with two long wood sticks and fix it on landing gear to avoid gear striping on Torque tube. It will be good for your money And don't hover from the dirt!!
One good thing too is to make a LOT of simulation!!! And to practice very progressively at the field.
But you know, belt has got problems too, and you can crash during flying high in the sky, it's really worse!!!!
If you really like the Rave, and have some good budget for the gears and other parts because you crash more when you begin, my only advice is go with it!!!
Hope this helps.
Jean

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01-17-2009 10:30 AM  9 years agoPost 5
JSX

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Good term is "training gear" For Trex 450 here
Ok it looks bad on the heli, but it will save you lot of money!!!!

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01-17-2009 11:43 AM  9 years agoPost 6
Goose(is dead...)

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Don't think so...
Besides learning how to build and learning how to re-build after a crash, takes a long time to get that aspect of this hobby down. Then you have the next 100 things you need to learn.

The Rave is not an easy build nor is it a beginner's option (feel free if you disagree, I'm comparing to a TT or whatever). If you disagree with me just shoot, everyone in the Next-D forum are smart, good pilots and respectful of one another.

And yes, the Rave is so far ahead of the pack in every detail. To even ask things such as " without a torque tube " it's crazy...

Yes we all crash but we never intend to. That's why newbies have training gear and in their own time, progress their skills and confidence at their own rate. The Rave has been designed to go as hard as we can push it. I've put mine in once (antenna around the tail....dumb-ass).

These small helis are not the easiest to learn on. If you're intent on electric, look at something like a Hurricane 550 or go down the Nitro path and grab a Raptor 50 Titan Nitro for about the same price as a Rave. You will learn so much more very quickly.

0.02 UK

- g

Vibe 90 & 50 WITH flybars (old skool), CY Rave, flying for many years, talent rating, absolute zero

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01-17-2009 01:41 PM  9 years agoPost 7
KennyS

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The Rave is not an easy build nor is it a beginner's option
With the greatest respect
I don't believe the build to be that difficult. For a new pilot I would highly suggest to watch the videos that Brian has for the build on curtisyoungblood.com Really nice! Then get some help with the setup.
Hi I'm new here and a newbie to the heli world I was thinking of getting the Rave 450 is it good for a beginner heli or should I just get a vibe 50 because I know it would be more stable.I was also thinking maybe the logo 400 or may be the trex 500.
Smaller machines are inherently less stable making the learning process more challenging, but it can be done with the right setup, perseverance and practice. Just remember it does not have to be setup like a rocket.

The Rave is a great choice and in my opinion the only choice if your buying a small electric. And man let me tell you, its a lot of fun.

Kennys

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01-17-2009 02:45 PM  9 years agoPost 8
JSX

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Hi
Goose I agree with you It's my first contribution here, it was just for help, it's my opinion...and I'm respectful of others pilots, so I'll don't shoot you
Certainly you're right because of your experience and cause you've got the Rave. Perhaps it's too complex for a beginner. But I think too that Diecast can begin on a less expensive 450 to get directly the good electronics,and because parts are not expensive. He can use 335 woodies for better stability.
Just my 2 €
Jean

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01-17-2009 03:01 PM  9 years agoPost 9
Popcorn

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These small helis are not the easiest to learn on. If you're intent on electric, look at something like a Hurricane 550 or go down the Nitro path and grab a Raptor 50 Titan Nitro for about the same price as a Rave. You will learn so much more very quickly.
That's so true IMO!

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01-17-2009 03:08 PM  9 years agoPost 10
USNAviationjay

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I sure as heck wouldnt put woodies on a rave.. too much headspeed asking for a failure.

The rave is really not a beginners bird. but hey thats just me.. neither are any of the other birds he listed.

all too expensive and all require lots of setup.

not to mention very expensive crashes.

I see a newbie buyign several 1000 in heli and then not picking the hobby up out of frustration.

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01-17-2009 04:22 PM  9 years agoPost 11
rexxigpilot

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Florida

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I'd say no to the Rave as a first heli. You will get frustrated and broke having to replace the torque tube everytime you crash - and you will - often.

I disagree with those who say to get a Raptor or any other 30-50 class nitro heli. The intimidation factor of a nitro bird is higher than a small electric for the beginner. The other issue is do you have place close enough to fly whatever it is you get often enough?

I had a Raptor and a Blade CP when I learned to fly. The Raptor was not something I could use in my yard. My job and other commitments kept me from going to the RC club field frequently. The Blade CP is an unstable, underpowered and poorly constructed POS. It almost got me to quit the hobby altogether. I really learned to fly after getting a T-rex 450. I could fly in my yard every day after work or during lunchtime in the parking lot. Stick time is so important!

I recommend you get something a little less esoteric than a Rave for now. Probably a T-rex 450 or Blade 400 is the best choice for a beginner. Parts are generally availble from your LHS. It's no fun waiting a week or more for parts you ordered online after every crash.

After you can go a couple of months without crashing, get a Rave!

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01-17-2009 06:46 PM  9 years agoPost 12
JSX

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335 Woodies were for another 450, like 3DX450 which is cheap and nice for begining. I think of course your advice is better because you've got the Rave, so Diecast >> forget my first opinion I agree with rexxigpilot about big size heli and intimidation. And there is the fact that injuries with big helis can be really worse than 450 class. For a beginner who can loose control easyly, it's not good I think. One very personal reason I chosen the Rave is I felt better with this class considering safety. Big helis are too impressive at this time for me. A 450 with 350 blades is a great alternative I think.
Perhaps Diecast can begin with a fixed pitch like lots of pilots today...it makes a good first experience, it's very cheap and blades don't break easyly, and afterthat CP transition will be really easy because of increased stability.

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01-18-2009 06:31 AM  9 years agoPost 13
Goose(is dead...)

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Comprimise?
Okay,

Diecast is a newbie. Wants to get the Rave because it's the best small electric by a mile.

However, culmintive feedback on this thread suggests the Rave is not really the best to learn on as it's meant to be all out 3D. Yes it can be wound down, but what's the point? Like driving an Aston Martin in 1st gear (Actually, I would do that happily).

Diecast, consider this:

The Rave demands the best of everything:

- The best digi Servo's I forget the model no. for the JR one's
- Gyro (Spartan or mini G if it ever comes out. I think a few are using the new JR 770 with the native JR-3500 tail with smiles on faces)
- ESC Scorpian V2 60A/h
- 2.4 Spektrum Tx / Rx
- Flight Power EVO 1700 - 2170Mah 3/4 S Lipo packs.
- Good Li-po chargers** Very important as crap charger means battery early death. Must have balancer
- Blades, you'll kill heaps. Start on the low price end and work up
- The correct tools. too many to list.

Now at this stage you are poor, but you have the best componentry there is for a 450** (Grain of salt, I'm not saying these are the BEST as I'm sure there are many other brands that are just as good / better, just for example).

Now the comprimise:

Instead of a Rave, go and buy a Mini-Titan (that's my recomendation) throughout this thread others' have put up their recomendations so go with one, but not a Rave.

Then in time when you are comfortable with your skill level learning on your first 450 and decide to go Rave, you can transfer everything listed into the Rave with not a single extra purchase. The only things you may damage if you're unlucky are some servo gears, dig hard and pop a Li-po but that's it. And then when you fly the Rave you will appreciate it's unparalelled performance. I'm still running a -6 motor on 3S. Most of the guys are on -8 or -10 on 4S. That setup is too hot for me at the moment. I need more practice and patience.

Unfortunately in the first 6 months you will crash at the very least 10 times, more likley 15 if you do some good hours. If anyone tells you otherwise they are lying or, their idea of flying means watching their heli sitting on a shelf dusting it everyday...

I really think this a good path for you. But I am only one person and I would really like everyone else to post what they think. Maybe my plan needs 'tweaking'? So please feel free.

cheers

- g

Vibe 90 & 50 WITH flybars (old skool), CY Rave, flying for many years, talent rating, absolute zero

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01-18-2009 02:25 PM  9 years agoPost 14
diecast

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Thanks Guys You Know the frist Heli I looked at was the mini titan because I read good article about it in some of the magazines plus I here it very stableI found someboby who said he would help me with what every I choose on setup build and flying so that a good some good step for me but you have to admit the rave 450 looks $*@$ing sweet. may be I will look for a mini titan cheap plus heliproz have a good combo deal to or maybe I will just buy both Thanks

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01-18-2009 04:31 PM  9 years agoPost 15
Sky Dancer

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Hi diecast,

Because you don't seem to have any experience flying R/C helicopters, I would recommend getting one of the heli simulators for your computer. This way you could easily learn to fly (no crash damage expense) and once you can hover and fly the helicopter around a bit you should not have any problems flying the Rave or any other heli. The Rave (IMH0) is an outstanding quality helicopter and it is just too cool. I wouldn't waste my time getting another brand just to practice with. And, the cost of the Rave spare parts are quite cheap too. After all, fun is what this is all about, right?

Don C

Keep up your rotor speed !

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01-18-2009 06:12 PM  9 years agoPost 16
rexxigpilot

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Florida

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diecast,

I don't know if you have a sim or not yet, but take SkyDancer's advice and get one if you don't already have one. I like the RealFlight sim but it takes a fairly powerful computer to run smoothly. A good graphics card is a must. Many like the Phoenix sim as well. Phoenix has most of the current models and downloads of new models and sceneries are free. My only problem with the Phoenix is you have to use your own transmitter. That means constantly charging the bats. The RealFlight has a dummy transmitter for control.

Although the physics on both sims I mentioned are quite good, it will never take the place of actual stick time. I guess you can say it is the pucker factor that makes the difference between real RC and sim flying. Unless you have incredible eye/hand coordination and nerves of steel, the sim won't fully prepare you for the real thing. It just helps.

I like your idea of getting both the Mini-Titan and the Rave. Just leave the Rave in the box until you're ready.

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01-18-2009 07:18 PM  9 years agoPost 17
JSX

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On some TX like DX7, when you insert the trainer jack, it's turn off the 2.4 ghz module. So it's better for health, and power comsuption is very very low. I make the bearings upgrade on gimbals, and put some oil on them sometimes, so it's better for the tx itself, because you use it a lot more with sim. The main advantage if you use your tx is that feeling is like in reality. I love my DX7 with its bearings. You work with your real sticks, and on sim you feel like at the field and it helps you to have realistic feelings. At the field, you feel like on sim, and all the work made at home is just here in your fingers, without any ergonomic adaptation required. RFG4 has the advantage to offer a good factice tx, and allow you to use your real tx too. So you have the best of the two worlds, and can avoid a shorter life of your tx by using it in alternance with the factice one.

~¤°Rave~4S/350¤Trex250°¤~

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01-19-2009 01:36 AM  9 years agoPost 18
Goose(is dead...)

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Diecast,

Everyone has gone out of their way to counsel you in what they believe to be the best paths. I forgot the Sim factor, that's first on the list.

Get a Rave at the same time for a better deal but as Sky dancer said, leave it in the box. You will learn a heap from constructing it and setting it up. The kind of leasons that the Rave should not be subjected to.

I posted a week ago that I was using too much locktite and snapping everything when trying to disassemble, just another lesson for me.

So please, with all this in mind, it would be too cool if you just went the Rave after all this.

You will have an awesome time, heli's are so addictive, even more than coc ( but about the same cost) and small steps forward is the way.

Let us all know how you go as it is always interesting to hear your progress and what you founf easy / hard.

cheers

- g

Vibe 90 & 50 WITH flybars (old skool), CY Rave, flying for many years, talent rating, absolute zero

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