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01-16-2009 06:02 PM  9 years agoPost 1
Storm07

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I just flew today for the first time without the training gear on. The heli feels and responds SOO much better and is FAR more stable. I beginning to wonder why people would use them at all. Hovering is so much easier without it.

I also can see why people say heli's are addictive. Its such a rush flying them (when you are doing well Lol). I can't wait for the warming weather to come and start working on some FF. I actually did alittle in the basement. One of the guides I read said, "Take your heli for a walk" So I pretty much just walked around the basement with the heli in front of me moving pretty slow tho. I do see why he suggested it and I think it is VERY helpful in learning how the heli moves and responds with different inputs and angles.

Thanks again for the help and support guys/gals

"The well educated, never graduate"
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01-16-2009 06:31 PM  9 years agoPost 2
Steff Giguere

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Now wait til you move to idel up...

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01-16-2009 07:36 PM  9 years agoPost 3
TK6411

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Congrats!!!

Jim

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01-16-2009 07:44 PM  9 years agoPost 4
Storm07

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never putting the idle up...ever.. hell, I have enough trouble with the idle where it is. I think of that switch more of like a gag joke? You know, hanging with buddies, want to get a good laugh in..."Hey guys, watch this....here is the best way to totally ruin this heli" (FLICK) BANG! SMASH! HA HA HA.

(Inside, I'm really crying)

No to the idle up :P

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01-16-2009 07:51 PM  9 years agoPost 5
denheli

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Once you get used to flying your heli the way it is now and you get brave enough to flick the switch, you'll be amazed how much more easier it is to fly.
I was the same way until I did it and now it's the only way I fly. lift off in normal mode, 2-3 feet up, FLICK and away we go

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01-16-2009 08:43 PM  9 years agoPost 6
TJinGuy

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I was just like you, I flew about 20 flights with TG and then decided to try it without. WOW what a difference I thought. I thought to myself "Why would anyone use TG unless they had to?". I then started telling people about my new found freedom and how I would never use TG again. Well ... that was about 500 flights ago and now I know better. Not long after that I had a few crashes that could have been easily avoided if I would have had TG on. One was from a setup issue and the TG would have allowed me to land. Others were simply because it was too windy out and I was just not ready to control the throttle constantly, or something similar. I learned that TG is a tool not a crutch and should be used when ever new stuff is tried. This includes hardware and maneuvers.

So I will say congrats on your TG-less flight but don't throw it away just yet ... it will save you a lot of money and heart ache if used properly

Oh and as for idle-up, that is nothing more than a different set of curves. I would recommend that as soon as you can take off, hover and land with ease, that you adjust your idle-up settings and start using it. Someday soon you will be needing negative pitch without having your head speed drop whether it is be because you want to flip your heli or because you are flying in the wind. Idle-up (more specifically a v-curve throttle curve and a symmetrical pitch curve) is helpful in many ways. But you need to learn not to slam the throttle down when you get in trouble, cause that is very bad in when you have a v-curve throttle curve and lots of negative pitch

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01-16-2009 10:20 PM  9 years agoPost 7
predatorman

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Well put TG is just that...an aid not a sissy add on.

Its very wise to keep it handy, when checking out a new setup of gyro...or even after a rebuild its a good idea to fit it. Try a reversed gyro sense situation...that heli will piro on the ground like you wouldnt believe...easily broken. Truth is...no one here is going to give you a handful of cash to repair it.

I use a hoop on my gasser when practicing nose in approaches at different orientations...saves the machine form any dumb arse inputs...especially if my fingers are cold

If I were you I would concentrate on the hovering...dont follow the thing around...stay put because as you get advanced you wont be flying along beahind your heli...will you?

Tell you...once upon a time there was a guy who expressed deep concern that his sim wasnt working that well...his progress was crap.

turned out he had the thing set on 'follow the plane around' kind of thing....had to laugh at that one.

Dont let the heli dictate where you are...follow it for those baby steps sure...but get into staying put as soon as you can..TG or not THAT will bring progress.

Quality takes........time!

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01-16-2009 11:17 PM  9 years agoPost 8
JetFire

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The heli feels and responds SOO much better and is FAR more stable. I beginning to wonder why people would use them at all
Helps build your confidence and prevents tip overs on a micros. On larger helis.. I don't find it necessary. Congrats!


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01-17-2009 05:52 AM  9 years agoPost 9
whoamis

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san francisco, ca

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Yeah, taking of the TG is like removing a too-tight sweater...

It's nice, but I realized that I wasn't needing the training gear to land, but I was definitely using them to see orientation, especially when side-in, etc.

Dump 'em, and learn to watch some other part of the heli.

Jim

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01-17-2009 05:53 AM  9 years agoPost 10
whoamis

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FS: Two pair heli training gear
Two sets, sold as a package or individually. One ideal for Honey Bee FP, the other suitable for T-Rex 450.

Cash only. No refunds.

:-)

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01-17-2009 02:28 PM  9 years agoPost 11
Eagle2bravo

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I think you will find the heli just flys better in idle-up. (when your ready)

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01-17-2009 03:38 PM  9 years agoPost 12
Way2slow

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Yep, Idle up is just about as big a jump as getting away from training gear. The sooner you get rid of the training wheels the better. The sooner you start using idle up the better. Get used to it and it will fly and handle a whole lot better. Also the sooner you start using it, the less you will have to regress in your training to learn to fly with it. I would recommend you have and experienced pilot go through your setup so the heli does not do funky things when you flip to idle up. I usually flip mine at a little over 1/2 stick and I like for mine to gain a couple of hundred rpm headspeed just to know it's in IU but but maintain a pitch that keeps the heli from changing altitude.

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01-17-2009 04:12 PM  9 years agoPost 13
Eagle2bravo

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Yep, it feels more connected. Have someone look at your setup.

T-rex 600n super pro , Trex 450 se, Gaui 200, Trex 500, Blade cx, . "If ya plant corn, ya get c

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01-17-2009 04:33 PM  9 years agoPost 14
Storm07

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I'm sure I'll get there. I'm in no hurry as I just started being able to hover well enough to not crash Lol. Once I can do some FF and turns and such, I will start trying it with the idle up.

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01-17-2009 04:38 PM  9 years agoPost 15
Storm07

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I did however fly the falcon 40 outside this morning. I think its just too small of a bird to fly in wind. Was hard to get it to stay in one place.

My blade 400 will do much better I think. MUCH heavier heh.

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01-18-2009 01:53 AM  9 years agoPost 16
ruddernate

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for me learning turns and ff is way easier in idle up if you have it setup proper. i would say if you can hover and land comfortably get the idle up setup right before trying anything else. ff, turns, even hovering is easier in idle up. i was like you and was scared to hit the switch but when you do you'll see it's easier to learn ff and turns with higher headspeeds. hit the switch , go for it.

fly it like you stole it

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01-18-2009 04:55 AM  9 years agoPost 17
Way2slow

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Hovers are a lot more stable in idle up. With a higher head speed and you are mostly only changing the pitch it makes it a whole lot easier to maintain a steady height.

When starting keep one little finger by the FM switch and the other by the throttle hold. If you get in trouble, flip both. That way if you panic and pull the throttle all the way back, you don't slam it down and you also cut the throttle. Kind of a double safety until you get used to Idle up and flipping the throttle hold without pulling back on the throttle when in trouble.

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