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01-16-2009 06:52 AM  9 years agoPost 1
Rockohaulic

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Woo Hoooooooooooooooooo!

So tonight in the warm glow of the street light, we were putting the 500 through her paces trying to tweak her into a super solid hover.

Suddenly while in a level hover about 2 feet off the ground, she suddenly and violently glitched and spun around 360 degrees.

In the famous CERN Large Hadron Collider, each proton goes around the 27km ring over 11,000 times a second.

This was faster!

The only thing keeping her from being on the destroyed in seconds show on Discovery is that I practically ripped off the throttle hold switch trying to flip it up. The helicopter stopped spinning and settled down on her skids.

Holy Sh!T! All those autos at the end of every flight have finally paid off!

This is a belt driven 500 as you might guess, but it has a G-10 frame, and I sprayed the belt twice with Staic Gaurd, and sprayed down the inside of the boom. I thought this only happened to CF frames?

Sure enough, after the glitch, the RX was flashing, telling me that all this fun was due to a glitch. Obviously the infamous static electricity glitch.

Anyway, totally pisses me off that this helicopter is not flyable as it comes out of the box. I'm going to have to spend another 80 bucks to get the TT to eliminate this problem and make my helicopter flyable.

Unbelievable!

Saturday morning I flew my helicopter in my pajamas
How it got in my pajamas I'll never know

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01-16-2009 01:30 PM  9 years agoPost 2
Gyronut

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Hey Rock

Dont rule out the pos the the ESC may be ready to die....

Rick

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01-16-2009 01:38 PM  9 years agoPost 3
Darren Lee

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I know it doesn't help you, but I have 900 flights on my stock belt-driven 500GF without a single glitch. I used to spray the belt with Triflo but I stopped doing that a while back and still no problems.

I don't understand how a static hit would cause a violent piro though.

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01-16-2009 01:50 PM  9 years agoPost 4
missle

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Are you sure it was static? It almost sounds like it was either your ESC or bat connection somewhere that caused it to loose power. Another question though, when you set up your tail, did you set up in non-HH first or did you just set it up using the center tailslide while in HH? For some reason, your gyro either went to the far end (either direction) or way off the counter torque mark during a power failure instead of using the failsafe position (which should equate to non-HH position).

WATCH OUT!!!!!!!!

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01-16-2009 05:06 PM  9 years agoPost 5
Rockohaulic

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I know it doesn't help you, but I have 900 flights on my stock belt-driven 500GF without a single glitch. I used to spray the belt with Triflo but I stopped doing that a while back and still no problems.
Almost without fail, every time I read a statement like this, it is someone from Georgia, TX, FL, or some place with high humidity. Right now, everytime you get out of your car here in CA I get zapped because the air is so dry.

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01-16-2009 05:08 PM  9 years agoPost 6
Rockohaulic

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Dont rule out the pos the the ESC may be ready to die....
But the @#$&! thing is brand new!

Saturday morning I flew my helicopter in my pajamas
How it got in my pajamas I'll never know

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01-16-2009 06:27 PM  9 years agoPost 7
tacoturbo

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Sorry to hear about your forced auto. Don't rule out other possibilities thou. What radio system are you running? Could actually be your rx or esc. Just because it's new doesn't mean it defective. I have a belt on mine and never has a tail glitch from static, but then again I've lubed mine with silicone spray from day one. I did have a tail twitch that was due to a faulty Spektrum rx (ar6200). I replaced the rx with another ar6200 and no twitch. The faulty rx was brand new. Good luck.

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01-16-2009 06:34 PM  9 years agoPost 8
Gyronut

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Sorry Rock wasn't tryin to upset you.

Stranger things have happened.

Just pointing out the possibilities.

Rick

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01-16-2009 07:11 PM  9 years agoPost 9
ckoelliker

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Did you loose control entirely or just lose control of the tail. I have never had any static problems, but from what I have read most people seem to lose control of everything.

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01-16-2009 07:24 PM  9 years agoPost 10
strat1960s

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San Antonio Texas

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Rock,

I lived in Phoenix AZ and I recall getting zapped going in and out of my car. In the latest issue of RC Heli they had an article on static discharge and listed some prevenative measures.
Spraying static guard was one of the options. You could also sand off the powder coating where the boom goes into the tail mount. You could also run a few grounding wires tot he neg bat terminal.
There are other options than buying a a TT. I'm not for or against the TT. I personally would look for a good, but cheap fix.

Ted

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01-16-2009 07:24 PM  9 years agoPost 11
Rockohaulic

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Sorry Rock wasn't tryin to upset you.
Not upset at all. Well, maybe at Align!

Tacoturbo - you're in Hawaii - high humidity there too. Like my buddy who witnessed this said last night, the air is unusually dry here. He got out of his truck last night and got shocked through his shirt sleeve!
Did you loose control entirely or just lose control of the tail. I have never had any static problems, but from what I have read most people seem to lose control of everything.
It happened so fast, I have no idea. Obviously by the time I got on the throttle hold, it worked, as it shut down the power to the blades and the heli settled down nicely.

I am going to get the TT. It is cheap insurance. Plus it has its other advantages. I noticed that there is a lot more energy in the head for an auto with the 500 than with the 450. The TT is going to be even better, and I want to see if this thing will auto from a couple hundred feet up!

Saturday morning I flew my helicopter in my pajamas
How it got in my pajamas I'll never know

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01-16-2009 07:50 PM  9 years agoPost 12
Gyronut

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Good plan.

I converted mine to TT last fall.

Love it...

Rick

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01-16-2009 08:29 PM  9 years agoPost 13
ckoelliker

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. I noticed that there is a lot more energy in the head for an auto with the 500 than with the 450. The TT is going to be even better, and I want to see if this thing will auto from a couple hundred feet up!
I does auto better than the 450, and that is w/ the belt drive. I have never flown the TT so I do not know how much it will help, in that respect. I have never done any damage to my 500 doing autos, but I have dug the tail in on a few occasions. With the tt, I probably would be replacing gears. Anyways if you can auto the 450 the 500 is a piece of cake.

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01-16-2009 09:40 PM  9 years agoPost 14
Rockohaulic

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Anyways if you can auto the 450 the 500 is a piece of cake.
I'll be the first to go on record as saying I have never auto'd a 450!

I have hit the throttle hold on a 450 at about 2 feet up plenty of times, and it amazes me how very little energy is in the blades.
My 500 is brand new, but I have already done that several times, and there is a lot more energy.

Saturday morning I flew my helicopter in my pajamas
How it got in my pajamas I'll never know

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01-16-2009 11:20 PM  9 years agoPost 15
Rockohaulic

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Not upset at all. Well, maybe at Align!
Here is my problem with Align:

They have an issue. Period. Many many people have had it. The belt on this puppy has turned itself into a perfect Van De Graff static generator. (Align should go into the side business of selling Van de Graff generators since they designed a perfect one!)

A TT does not generate static by design. It solves the problem. They need to completely do away with a belt option, and only offer a TT option. But you say this would increase the cost of the kit roughly $80. Not even close!

Many of the parts are "duplicates". For example, the boom is the same. The Tail Boom Case and Tail Drive Gear Assembly would simply be the one designed for the TT and not the belt. Just do away with the parts for the belt.

The only real differences between the two are the TT itself and the Tail Case. Heck, the TT itself is only $6 more than the belt! So the only real difference to Align is the all metal tail case.

Now, add in the fact that it is cheaper to manufacture only one option for a given model (parts for the belt drivetrain would no longer need to be manufactured, tracked, inventoried, etc.), and I bet they would only have to add about $10 or $20 to the price of the kit to only sell TT kits.

No one would have issue with that, and their static issue would be a thing of the past!

That's what they should do!

Saturday morning I flew my helicopter in my pajamas
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01-16-2009 11:26 PM  9 years agoPost 16
Gyronut

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You are so right on target.

I flew mine in 2 Deg temps this afternoon, no sparks.

Rick

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01-17-2009 12:03 AM  9 years agoPost 17
Double Springs

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They need to completely do away with a belt option, and only offer a TT option.
It is called the ESP.

Do or Do Not, There is No Try

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01-17-2009 12:13 AM  9 years agoPost 18
Rockohaulic

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It is called the ESP.
Yes, but again, they need to do away with the old option completely!

Then the ESP would be cheaper!

Saturday morning I flew my helicopter in my pajamas
How it got in my pajamas I'll never know

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01-17-2009 12:40 AM  9 years agoPost 19
TMoore

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You could always jack the blades up and slide another heli underneath. My Lepton has a belt and it doesn't have static electricity and neither does the Protos.

TM

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01-17-2009 12:52 AM  9 years agoPost 20
ckoelliker

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You could always jack the blades up and slide another heli underneath. My Lepton has a belt and it doesn't have static electricity and neither does the Protos.
Yea but there are only about four people flying each of those, not really a statistical comparison. Look on the Mikado page, there are plenty of people there that are grounding their tail case. Why is this necessarily an Align problem? It definitely seems more prevalent w/ 2.4 systems. Why are they more susceptible to static lockouts than 72?

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