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01-14-2009 08:58 AM  9 years agoPost 1
Mattia Italy

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Hi guys,

i've got a turbolence d3.I lost the manual during my christmas vacation so i need to know what's the best head ratio set-up for soft 3d and f3c use.
Now i use this set-up show in the picture but i think it's too reactive.

THANK'S

Mattia

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01-14-2009 01:02 PM  9 years agoPost 2
Foamy Love

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Althought this is the SSZ-V it will get you close. The Turbulance has the SSZ-IV.

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01-14-2009 01:58 PM  9 years agoPost 3
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Thank you so much....do you know what are the different between ssz-IV

and SSZ-V? Only tha swashplate?

I'll do your set-up.

Thank you again

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01-14-2009 02:22 PM  9 years agoPost 4
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Actually that pic is of Hasimoto's head. The SSZ-V isn't available to the public yet.

No one really know all fo the differences between the two, other than the fact that the V is built more for F3C and the IV is a 3D head. The swashplates are the same 135* set up.

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01-14-2009 02:42 PM  9 years agoPost 5
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OK,

probably the big different are the "dumper" system in SSZ IV

are really Hard!

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01-14-2009 03:39 PM  9 years agoPost 6
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This should help you out.
http://runryder.com/t476882p1/
Thanks,

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01-14-2009 04:02 PM  9 years agoPost 7
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Thank you very much Greg!! great!

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01-14-2009 06:51 PM  9 years agoPost 8
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Yeah, we actually do know the differences now.....

Differences b/t the IV and V heads:

V vs. IV: Longer span via wider grip spacing (different grips) on the V head. Longer blade axle. Different mixers (which would also fit the IV head). Different pitch arms with slightly different delta options.

The dampers are not different on the production heads. Both heads use the 80D SSZ-IV dampers. The flybar carrier, head block, and hiller arms are the same for both heads.

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01-14-2009 07:39 PM  9 years agoPost 9
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Thanks Ben. I'm looking forward to trying out the SSZ-V on my Eagle 3 once its out.

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01-14-2009 08:10 PM  9 years agoPost 10
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Ben,

Could you explain, then, why the SSZ-V head has a retail price of $680!!!!

Also the blade grips, knowing Hirobo they might have been taken from previous heads, either the SSR-VI or SSZ-II or SSZ-III (the SSR-VII has SSZ-II blade grips). Perhaps you could quote the part number for the blades grips of the SSZ-V head, then those of us who have old SSR heads might want to upgrade via the spare parts route.

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01-14-2009 08:38 PM  9 years agoPost 11
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Could you explain, then, why the SSZ-V head has a retail price of $680!!!!
Perhaps because it has Manabu Hashimoto's seal of approval on it and not to mention it won the coveted FIA/AOCC championship that was held last year somewhere in the Philippines. You know what they say...If it's a signature brand, it's always expensive.

Just look at the new SST Eagle 3 SWM Freya. It comes with the same SSZ-V head and cost probably around the $3,200 range and this is just the kit. http://model.hirobo.co.jp/products/0414-941/index.htm

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01-14-2009 11:03 PM  9 years agoPost 12
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The IV and V grips are unique entities. Their pitch arms are keyed into the grip unlike the flush mounting on the other Hirobo grips. With the narrow head block of the IV/V heads, the pitch arms for both versions are fairly short and are side, not tip drilled. Thus there's no obvious way or particular benefit from trying to mount those grips on one of the other head designs, even if you could and still resuse your old pitch arms (which you can't w/o mods being done to them).

RE the price, certainly I cannot comment directly on why a certain item costs what it does. That said, I do understand Japanese marketing. Price point on Japanese products, regardless of what they are, is not so much determined by production cost but by how large the intended market is. The IV head and the V heads do indeed use many of the same parts, but the anticipated sales of the IV head will exceed those of the V by several fold. With this in mind, the price of the V head will be set higher. Also, as suggested already, any of the premium, more boutique items in the Hirobo line carry a higher price. Hirobo is actually fairly unique in that they will actually market a product that might only sell a few hundred copies. Compare this to Futaba that has sold over 100,000 GY401 gyros in a calendar year (yes, that many). Thus for the ability to secure the same head that Hashimoto flies, you'll pay for it. Fortunately, MSRP is just that, and the price often ends up less from one dealer or the other.

For those wanting part numbers on ANY Hirobo item, go the Hirobo website and select the JAPANESE language page at the top. Over on the left side, you'll see in English a tab for PARTS. Select that, and you'll pull up a menu (scroll down a little)with the exploded parts diagrams for all of their models, older ones included.

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01-15-2009 01:02 AM  9 years agoPost 13
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You see Ben, my SSZ-II head was had for around $300, without the flybar carrier and cage and the other essential mixer parts. The SSZ-III was even more expensive. I don't know about the price of the SSZ-IV though. My SSR-VI head was had for about $500 at the time, and comparing that with the SSZ-V, the SSZ-V has less parts!

I totally understand that Hirobo have their reasons for pricing things the way they do.

2kwik2c,

I'm not surprised that the Eagle 3 AOCC is going to be that much, my estimate was around the $3600 mark. This makes it the most expensive mass production heli on the market. I've even heard that Hirobo don't actually make much money on them either.

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01-15-2009 02:28 PM  9 years agoPost 14
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Syn,

I know. It's a bitch. The other problem is the current valuation of the yen to most other currencies. Most companies set a price point where they think it needs to be, then adjust it up at routine intervals as needed to cover costs. Hirobo doesn't do this very often. The seem to look as far forward as they can on price, then set it for where it can stay for an extended period. Most importer price changes of late have come about as a result of exchange rate and not mfg price increases.

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01-15-2009 02:53 PM  9 years agoPost 15
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2kwik2c,

I'm not surprised that the Eagle 3 AOCC is going to be that much, my estimate was around the $3600 mark. This makes it the most expensive mass production heli on the market. I've even heard that Hirobo don't actually make much money on them either.
Yup, that SST Eagle 3 will be the top of the tops. I like Hirobo products, but with that price I'd rather go for two EVO 90 and set it up to my liking. Just because it has the bells and whistles doesn't mean it would fly better. Sometimes it's all on the pilot's control. Plus having a heli like the AOCC Eagle 3, I'd be afraid to fly it since my mind set will be more on how much I have invested on the bird instead of being relax and enjoying the flight.

BTW, call me blind, but I'm beginning to like a Freya canopy on my Turbulence. Last weekend I took my Turbulence D3 for a couple of flights using my extra EVO 90 canopy and to my surprise that thing looks more sleeker. Plus the "milk jug" canopy is much more sturdier and cheaper than the D3 fiberglass canopy. Anyways I thought I'd chime that in.

Cheers

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01-15-2009 05:19 PM  9 years agoPost 16
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BTW, call me blind, but I'm beginning to like a Freya canopy on my Turbulence. Last weekend I took my Turbulence D3 for a couple of flights using my extra EVO 90 canopy and to my surprise that thing looks more sleeker. Plus the "milk jug" canopy is much more sturdier and cheaper than the D3 fiberglass canopy. Anyways I thought I'd chime that in.

No, you're not blind. Same sentiment I had if you look at previous threads. When I get my D3 the canopy is going to someone else.

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01-15-2009 05:23 PM  9 years agoPost 17
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2kwik2c,
BTW, call me blind, but I'm beginning to like a Freya canopy on my Turbulence. Last weekend I took my Turbulence D3 for a couple of flights using my extra EVO 90 canopy and to my surprise that thing looks more sleeker. Plus the "milk jug" canopy is much more sturdier and cheaper than the D3 fiberglass canopy. Anyways I thought I'd chime that in.
I'm going to have to take a look at one of those and see how it looks.

Hirobo parts are more expensive because you pay for what you get. It is as simple as that.
We all know Hirobo is designed and manufactured in Japan. This means the strictest regulations in the industry. Hirobo takes more time to come out with helicopters because they are testing everything over and over to make sure we all get good products. The parts we all get are more durable than other brands. I can’t knock some other brands because I have flown, them owned them and liked them but coming from a Hirobo family and flying Hirobo since I was 6 has showed me that Hirobo is the Bees Knees.
Dr. Ben said it best, the exchange rate between the Yen and the American dollar have a big influence with how Hirobo’s products are priced.

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01-15-2009 05:56 PM  9 years agoPost 18
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The Freya canopy looks like this on a D3:

http://runryder.com/t471921p1/

Scroll down a bit for the pic.

Ben

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01-15-2009 06:25 PM  9 years agoPost 19
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Greg,

I've noticed that too. The machining on Hirobo top end helis are just that little bit better than the rest. Hirobo quality definitely beats JR, I know because I fly many Sylphs. I've yet to see the Caliber 90, but I'm sure the machining quality matches Hirobo's given the price.

However the comment regarding the D3 canopy is about its looks rather than anything else. Here in the UK we have a top end car manufacturer Aston Martin. Even though their cars are an engineering marvel, I'd never have one even if I could afford them, reason being I just find all the cars they produce to be downright ugly: pugnaciously butch and gross if you ask me.

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01-19-2009 01:32 PM  9 years agoPost 20
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Anyone know when the SSZ-V will be in stock in the US?

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