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01-13-2009 04:08 AM  9 years agoPost 21
swch900

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Again, I can't get ahold of Tabb to ask. If he is and wants to work with these guys I'll be the last person to ever post any kind of judgement towards him and neither should anyone else. I'm just pointing out that its kind of funny that all of the sudden these links do not work.

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01-13-2009 04:11 AM  9 years agoPost 22
swch900

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Maximo is all over the internet

check this out

http://www.videopros.com/profiles/56

more video from arialpan

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01-13-2009 04:14 AM  9 years agoPost 23
swch900

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ok, tabb does work with them, at least I now am drawing that conclusion from looking at the videopros website.

who cares, Best of luck

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01-13-2009 04:43 AM  9 years agoPost 24
d-bledsoe

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I'm just pointing out that its kind of funny that all of the sudden these links do not work.
He may have not wanted to get dragged into your dealings and asked to have them removed for the time being until things between you, derek and janir cool down.

Just a thought.

Derek Bledsoe

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01-13-2009 04:44 AM  9 years agoPost 25
swch900

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hold on??? all of the aerialpan videos are now gone from the videopros website. what is going on Maximo??? Your website just launched for public approval about 30 minutes ago and your taking down all your nice videos????

good thing I had 2 computers side by side to show that after a page refresh all the videos would disappear on one but still work on the other???

Maximo also no longer has a washington office?

I hope your 8 helicopters don't start disappearing.

The video i took of the Maximo website with all the aerialpan footage will be up in just a few minutes.

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01-13-2009 05:04 AM  9 years agoPost 26
rroback

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Airing out dirty laundry does nothing for you, other then make you look unprofessional. If you've got an issue with Dereck, deal with him.

I don't have to mention how difficult you made our business deal, even though I was very accommodating of your many issues.

Rhett..... I can't fly, but the Profi sure can.

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01-13-2009 05:30 AM  9 years agoPost 27
Makiedog

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If you hire a contractor to do the work, you should have had him sign a contract that stipulates "work for hire", whereby the contractor waives ownership or copyright, meaning you own the work. Same idea with no-compete clause, which should have a reasonable expiration date, such as a year, where the contractor may not solicitate work from your client.

Obsent such contracts, you have no legal claims. But ethically, that may be a different story. I know how much you feel you've invested in business development, it sucks to have this happen. My advice is consider it lesson learnt and move on.

Pat L

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01-13-2009 10:25 AM  9 years agoPost 28
oakley

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I think putting this on the internet is a good thing.It is a lesson to be learned for anyone dealing with this type of business practice.

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01-13-2009 11:34 AM  9 years agoPost 29
daytonabeach

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I would like to say a couple of words about this, in general.

Since ive only got one side of this story, i cant judge if someone's a bad a$$ or not, anyway...

When using a word like "stealing" that means youre referring to something that belongs to another, and since were on the topic "business" there are no such things as a customer that "belongs" to you.
Business is business, sometimes youre the man, and sometimes there are others.

If your customers suddenly starts to use another supplier, it means (usually) that he got something better to offer, that doesnt mean your products are poor, but the customer may like the other persons style or work better.

Life goes on, and hopefully your business, but if youre starting spending to much time on competitors rather than new or existing customers, you loose essential focus.

In photography business its very common that fex your photo assistant "run away" with some of your customers after he quits, not because he stole them, just because they wanted to try something else, and if they werent happy about his work, well, then they get back to you again later, if not, that could also mean that there are room for improvement on your own work.

Now and then i have customers that have tried up to 5 different photographers before they finally find one that matches theire style and needs, but that doesnt mean the others are poor photographers.

**** happens, get over it and move on...

The only rule i got is, if im assisting another photographer or colleague on an assignment, i never sell in, but if the client asks for my business card directly, ill give him that, cause then i havent done anything wrong...
If i know the one i assist very well, i find it proper to inform him/her about his client wanted me to do a job for them, and your colleague usually appreciate you being honest and say, be my guest.

Bottom line is, use common sense, but if you ever get screwed over another, you will not gain anything be accusing somebody, or throwing dirt back at him.
I got a principle about competitors, dont EVER talk badly about anyone of them in front of your clients, do the opposite instead no matter what the reason might be for doing something else, it shows your strength and integrity, and most important, your professionality, which often makes the big difference in the long run

Again, im not taking anyone's part in this thread since i dont know both sides of the story...

Never argue with an idiot, he'll drag you down to his level and beat you with experience...

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01-13-2009 11:57 AM  9 years agoPost 30
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I'm just fun/hobby orientated mainly because when you take something fun and make it work it kinda stops being fun.

I have been around people, from royality to the bum in the street with a knife in his hand doing photography so I can say I have experience with many people and business's and you know...if "X" company felt you were wrong to do business with and approached Dereck on the side and so many weeks later your on here trying to make something of it it in this way it tells me there is something wrong with you.
If "X" company, which had a decision to make and it was probably a collective decision made by more then one person, that your just weren't right, you just proved it.
So maybe you really need to take a look at you as an individual and get that part of life sorted out first because "X" companies decision was most likely based on the relationship with you as the person you.

Join the ranks of a well infamous low-life in the camera mount business.
Since I do not have a business appearance to keep up or worry how this is going to affect my business...Hmm...I'll still be polite and not use the words in my head to say shut up.

"Vini, Vidi, Velcro"

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01-13-2009 03:34 PM  9 years agoPost 31
patrickegan

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Camaraderie, that's a good one!

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01-13-2009 04:12 PM  9 years agoPost 32
theslayer

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Hi,

hard to say what to think, because most of us just know one side of the story.
My Opinion: It wasn't the right decision to put it on the forum, that is something to be settled behind shut doors. It only harms the reputation, yours too.

Secondly. In the end it all boils down to money! take that as a motto. If everything isn't planned and documented to the last centimeter, if someone else sees the chance to make money, he will do it. Not saying that what it was in this case, like i said i don't know the facts. But you should remember this, that you need legal assignment. Although, get the firms to pay big money up-front.

All in all, you may be right, but that doesn't help you now. get a new contractor and off you go again. and this time do it singlely...

Good luck buddy

Daniel

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01-13-2009 05:22 PM  9 years agoPost 33
kookboy

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Removed my prev opinions as I can't see them doing any good here.

I agree with the others.

This forum is not the place for this. It is not appropriate, nor is it professional.

Personally, I would have Mark delete this thread. I cannot see anything positive that will come out of it.

... But honey it was only $$$

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01-13-2009 07:00 PM  9 years agoPost 34
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well everyone Derek and I talked about all this one the phone last night. I expected him to write something one here by now but he hasn't. He can choose on his own weather or not he wants to.

Derek Admitted his faults on this subject and said he feels real bad about the way things took place. He then offered to make it up to me.

Everyone really needs to understand that this was not a problem that happened just because of good old fashioned competition.

And

Everyone really needs to understand that this hasn't just been between only Derek and I.

There is a third person, Janir, after speaking with Derek last night I can hold a certain level of respect for the guy. Now I'm not saying I completely let him off the hook,and If he truly wants to make it up to me then I'm sure that level of respect will increase.

Derek made it clear, Janir Thorndike on the other hand appears to have been the string puller in this mess. I have no doubt it is just a matter of time before Derek stops working with the guy.

I have found Maximo listings on several websites across the internet.

Maximo/Janir you need to take my clients off your client lists and you need to take my photos off all your advertising and social networking websites. This is just another sign of your fancy new age business ethics practices.

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01-13-2009 07:16 PM  9 years agoPost 35
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Glad to hear you guys have it sorted.

With that said you should probably edit your previous posts or remove the thread as it casts a really bad light towards Derek and the 'Camaraderie of AP' title.

... But honey it was only $$$

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01-13-2009 07:23 PM  9 years agoPost 36
daytonabeach

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With that said you should probably edit your previous posts or remove the thread as it casts a really bad light towards Derek and the 'Camaraderie of AP' title.
A little to late for that now i think...

Anyway, luckily no clients read in here (i assume)
No matter how you twist and turn this, nobody cant take away from you Derek, that you make the best AV clips in here, thats my personal opinion, and i think most you other guys agree with me on that.

Lets learn something from this, and that is, dont go public with private affairs...

You should have made that call to Derek BEFORE you posted this, right?

Never argue with an idiot, he'll drag you down to his level and beat you with experience...

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01-13-2009 07:43 PM  9 years agoPost 37
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I really don't care so much, as I am leaning more and more towards not persuing AP anymore anyway. I make a decent living at my "day job" and I can do the things I want in my free time, like ski and ride my bike, and not spend time in the garage tinkering on heli's and wasting time chasing this elusive, quirky dream.

As I've said before, I think our aerial work is neat, but it's "B" roll at best. Nothing beats a tripod, dolly, or jib shot.

I'm one step away from being an official hobbyist.

Have fun chasing the dream.

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01-13-2009 07:53 PM  9 years agoPost 38
swch900

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calls were made.

Look everyone is entitled to an opinion but the fact is getting things out in the open has solved this problem, and I can guarantee it would not have been solved any other way. People need to realize the consequences their actions can have. this is a learning experience.

I think it's pathetic how so many people have this sweep it under the rug mentality.

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01-13-2009 08:54 PM  9 years agoPost 39
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Ok

www.louisianahelicam.com

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01-13-2009 09:12 PM  9 years agoPost 40
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I think it's pathetic how so many people have this sweep it under the rug mentality.
You're absolutely right.

But that is not the case here.

I think you could have worded your original post to infer the obstacles you may come across when working/contracting other pilots/AV employees without slandering, no offense.

... But honey it was only $$$

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