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01-18-2009 01:19 AM  9 years agoPost 21
axemanclint

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So where in the motor Is a sound generator? I doubt anywhere in a motor there is a sound genorator. I believe the ESC is the one genorating the beeps and the reason you don't hear any beeps when the motor is not connected is cause the ESC is no longer initializing because it doesn't sense a motor to react to. IMHO.

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01-18-2009 01:38 AM  9 years agoPost 22
TaleGunner

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So you don't know for sure? I'M wondering then why you would answer his question.
It is the motor that makes the beep in every brushless setup I have used.

If you want to prove it to yourself make a set of long motor leads to separate the esc from the motor and arm it you will discover its the motor!

If you find a brushless ESC that beeps I would like to see it as I have never seen one.

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01-18-2009 02:00 AM  9 years agoPost 23
axemanclint

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If you find a brushless motor that beeps I would like to see it as I have never seen one.
WEll i am assuming this was a typo, unless you are proving me right?

Look man, i was just giving my OPINION, like i said IMHO. I don't know it to be fact, but this is a discussion board and i was merely discussing what i thought to be the case.

I still don't know or see how there is a sound generator of any kind on a brushless motor, and since the ESC, is actually the component that is being programmed and using the programming to tell the Motor what to do exactly it seems like the ESC would be the one generating the beeps.

I think i will do your test just to determine for myself which one is actually beeping, unless you have any facts to steer me in another direction, in other words what you think is right?

Besides for what :neilg: is wanting to do and has done, it really doesn't matter which one is doing the beeps(ESC/MOTOR), just as long as he programs it correctly according to those beeps that he hears. Let us know if you have anymore questions about your setup neilg.

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01-18-2009 03:25 AM  9 years agoPost 24
TaleGunner

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yes typo
I do know for a fact its the motor that's why I told you how could prove it to your self. There might be a rare brushless ESC with a beeper and as I said if it does I would like to see one.

Yes you are entitled to your opinion but this was a question not a what do you think. and I'm not trying to piss you off but after I answered his question you contradicted me. Its no biggie I wont send you a bill

BTW: I had this discussion several years ago and that's how we determined were the sound was coming from!

once you do the test we can be friends again

I made a mistake once I thought I was wrong but I wasn't

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01-18-2009 03:35 AM  9 years agoPost 25
axemanclint

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No biggie, I am not pissed and we are still friends. I didn't mean to contradict you I just wanted to make sure what you were telling was fact. I like to make sure something is in fact true before I go believing them. Just how I am. Anyway it's so weird that, that is in fact the way it is. I am still going to do the test and not cause I don't believe you, but because now I am curious how and where the motor creates a tone? I gotta figure this one out, cause I am an audio engineer and I find it fascinating that they put a sound genorator in the motor.
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01-18-2009 03:57 AM  9 years agoPost 26
Footey

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The motor is where the sound comes from, there is no speaker on the ESC or the motor, it is just the voltage from the ESC to the motor that makes the beeping sound, you will find that different motors will make different sound, it has to do with the windings and how many poles your motor has.
If you have some spare money and want to see if it is the ESC then by all means cut it open, you will soon see there is nothing in it that will make a sound.
A cheaper way would be to make up some long leads, put the motor under a pillow and see if you can still hear it, or you can save some time and accept the fact that the motor makes the sound.

As far as the 401 gyro goes, it sounds like you should move the linkage ball in one more hole on the servo arm, reajust your travel on the pot (top of the gyro) and you should be able to wind the gain up a bit more. A digital servo if you are not using one will help with the performance as well.

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01-18-2009 03:00 PM  9 years agoPost 27
neilg.

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As far as the 401 gyro goes, it sounds like you should move the linkage ball in one more hole on the servo arm, reajust your travel on the pot (top of the gyro) and you should be able to wind the gain up a bit more. A digital servo if you are not using one wil hel with the performance as well.

why would i do that. i got digital servo on the boom.

hey guys, no arguing in my thread. get your own

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01-19-2009 09:24 PM  9 years agoPost 28
Footey

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I am only suggesting possible solutions for having such a low gain with the 401, I have never seen your heli nor do I know what servo you are using. I am only passing on my experience, use if you wish, I wont hold a gun to your head and force you to change your set up.
I own a model shop and have set up more helicopters than I care to count so I would like to think I have got it right 99%of the time.

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01-19-2009 11:38 PM  9 years agoPost 29
neilg.

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no problem footey. i did move the ball to the inside hole on the servo arm and made it 90 degrees. i had it at a 45 towards the back previously.

it's good for people to express opinions.

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01-19-2009 11:45 PM  9 years agoPost 30
Footey

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So how is the tail now?
Generally most gyros work better with the servo using as much of its travel range as possible, unless you have some old non digital servo that is just too slow, then you cn move the ball out and maybe use a bit of delay to help stop the wag.

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01-21-2009 12:50 AM  9 years agoPost 31
neilg.

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i got the wag no matter what. going to put old esc on and see if tail holds steady. then maybe put a bec on. maybe servo is too slow. maybe -- lots of things.

by the way. on the align instructions, feature options number 7, it says: The ESC will emit a comfirmation tone

this is the 5V esc i am using if that makes a difference. i tried for several hours to calm down tail.

what's a good bec guys for a eflite 25amp esc?

ty

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01-21-2009 01:24 AM  9 years agoPost 32
Footey

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If you have the 35G it is 5.1V if you have the 35X it is 6.0V

What servo are you using?

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01-21-2009 02:58 AM  9 years agoPost 33
neilg.

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hs5065g -- too slow? i am running this in digital mode on my 401

i am gonna pick up a jr ds290g -- faster? at heli direct tomorrow morning i hope.

should i have gotten the esc that runs at 6volts instead?

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01-21-2009 04:50 PM  9 years agoPost 34
axemanclint

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The motor is where the sound comes from, there is no speaker on the ESC or the motor, it is just the voltage from the ESC to the motor that makes the beeping sound, you will find that different motors will make different sound, it has to do with the windings and how many poles your motor has.
If you have some spare money and want to see if it is the ESC then by all means cut it open, you will soon see there is nothing in it that will make a sound.
A cheaper way would be to make up some long leads, put the motor under a pillow and see if you can still hear it, or you can save some time and accept the fact that the motor makes the sound.
I don't agree with this statement at all! I'm not even going to go into all of why this statement doesn't make sense cause i don't have time, but in short...
I am an audio engineer and i know better than most how audio waves work. There is no way your going to get an audio wave (which is what creates sound for the inept) from just voltage simply passing through wires. Electrical energy must be transformed into kinetic energy (waveforms) In order to have an electrical current transformed into and audio wave you must have some sort of audio driver IE... a speaker.

Here's an example: When music is played through your computer out of iTunes the computer is sending a digital signal to your sound card, the sound card takes that digital signal and turns it into an electrical signal which is then sent to your cheap little speaker wires which are connected to your speakers. The speakers receive the electrical signal through the wires and then send the signal to the drivers. the drivers are where the magic happens. By moving rapidly back and forth and in different pulses the drivers use the voltage sent through the wires to recreate the actually audio sound that is being heard. So what is taking place is a transition of energy from one form to another. In the speaker drivers case it is Electrical energy transformed into kinetic energy. Which is the same thing taking place in any kind of audio producing source, like a Motor or ESC that is creating beeps or chirps. Audio is audio no matter if it is music, vox, tones or beeps. Anything that is being reproduced through the use of voltage must have a generator. (something used to reproduce a form of something else)

I'm not saying that the motor doesn't create the beeps in some instances, but if it does it then must have something inside it that can create sound.

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01-21-2009 11:18 PM  9 years agoPost 35
neilg.

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the sound is generated from the esc but the tone comes from the motor. i put my fingers on the motor and felt it vibrate.

as far as i am concerned, you r both correct

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01-22-2009 04:14 AM  9 years agoPost 36
Footey

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LOL I beat if I hooked up enough current to you we would more than some beeps.

Stick a pillow or something over your motor when you discover that the sound comes from it and not the ESC, pull it apart and show me this speaker you talk of.

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