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01-13-2009 05:59 AM  9 years agoPost 41
Dennis (RIP)

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As little as I agree with Gimbal on many things, I do believe what he is saying here is true. I used to think it was simply a choice people made. Life has shown me that this is not the case. I don't think a gay person can choose to be gay anymore than I can choose not to be. I think it is just they way they are wired. A few people that I known as both as a child and as an adult have led me to believe this.
I believe that is true to some extent. Also, some make the choice.

But, to actively promote a gay lifestyle is repugnant and irresponsible in my mind. Because then there are more that make the choice to be gay simply because its promoted.

Thats why, whenever any gay issue ever comes to a vote, I will vote it down every single time. Same as about 60% of Americans do at the polls.

I say do everything we can to keep it at that 10% that Gimbal talks about. Preferably lower.

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01-13-2009 06:45 AM  9 years agoPost 42
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but BOTH are nothing more than genetic predispositions
Gimbal quotes 10% of people are gay, so I went and did some research. It turns out that 10% was based on research by Kinsey, which is widely regarded as flawed. Kinsey went so far as to include some very much fringe groups in his study, including inmates and child molesters. Modern research tends to place the number between 1 and 4 percent, the 4% being very generous.

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01-13-2009 06:48 AM  9 years agoPost 43
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Modern research tends to place the number between 1 and 4 percent.
For the sake of discussion, conceded. I did after all say roughly -- but I've seen and read the 10% figure in numerous documentaries and publications.

In some species and subspecies of mammals the percentage is higher than in others, just as it is in certain populations or groups of humans.

Regardless of the percentages, the point is that it's fundamentally a genetic predisposition -- except in those cases of unresolved traumatic abuse.

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01-13-2009 06:58 AM  9 years agoPost 44
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It's still genetic predisposition except in the cases of traumatic abuse.
There is a HUGE difference between 10% and 4%. At that you admit its only a fraction of those that are genetically predisposed.

Even at that its a tiny percentage. However, as a country we feel its important to pander to this group.

More people in this country are Autistic.
Nearly the same amount of Americans are schizophrenic.
More people in this country are Christian.
More people in this country are Muslim.
Hell, more people in this country think that Obama is a Muslim!

Where is the special treatment?

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01-13-2009 06:59 AM  9 years agoPost 45
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But, to actively promote a gay lifestyle is repugnant and irresponsible in my mind. Because then there are more that make the choice to be gay simply because its promoted.
Dennis, that's the most ridiculous thing I've heard in a long time. The idea that someone would choose to be gay because it is a promoted idea is absurd.

Firstly: I have never seen any campaigns promoting that people "make the switch" from hetero to gay.

Secondly: People don't choose their preferences any more than you've chosen to like or dislike a particular kind of music.

A sexual preference is just that. It's a preference.

These old antiquated and bigot-minded ideas many of you cling to will one day die, much like the notion of witches and evil spirits, slavery, women's rights and many other relics left over from our primitive past. Until then, I guess you can just keep dancing around the fire hoping it will rain tomorrow as a result.

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01-13-2009 07:06 AM  9 years agoPost 46
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i have a friend who is a 'lipstick lesbian' which means she's hot. she's also very sharp and successful as most of them seem to be.

after discussing the issue with her in details i won't share here, it is obvious to me that the vast majority of gays are genetically predispositioned at birth. she brought me out of the dark ages of thinking it was some sort of abomination as i was 'told' it was as a child.

after discussing it with her it became clear to me.

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01-13-2009 07:11 AM  9 years agoPost 47
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At that you admit its only a fraction of those that are genetically predisposed. - rcsoar4fun
I did not. 100% of ALL who are genetically predisposed will choose their own gender, PLUS a large segment of those who've been traumatically abused.
These old antiquated and bigot-minded ideas many of you cling to will one day die, much like the notion of witches and evil spirits, slavery, women's rights and many other relics left over from our primitive past. Until then, I guess you can just keep dancing around the fire hoping it will rain tomorrow as a result.
Brilliant. Couldn't've said it better myself.

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01-13-2009 01:30 PM  9 years agoPost 48
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While I agree that homosexuality is a genetic predisposition, there are many more kids experimenting with it than ever before. When I was a kid, Mtv was just that, music television. Turn it on today. You are more than likely to see one of many shows with teenagers or young adults on ridiculous shows, actively promoting promiscuity, bisexuality, homosexuality, drug and alcohol abuse. The same goes for numerous other shows on many networks.

I have no problem with gay people. But, that doesn't make it right to promote it. It is being promoted, and kids are being targeted. If you can't see that, than you're blind to whats going on in your kids lives.

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01-13-2009 02:06 PM  9 years agoPost 49
Dennis (RIP)

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PilotDaz
Firstly: I have never seen any campaigns promoting that people "make the switch" from hetero to gay.
Oh really. The gay marriage issue is promoting gays in my mind. Our public school teachers taking our young school children to their wedding as a field trip is also promoting gays in my mind. Programs on TV with openly gay stars is the same.

1stPlace
When I was a kid, Mtv was just that, music television. Turn it on today. You are more than likely to see one of many shows with teenagers or young adults on ridiculous shows, actively promoting promiscuity, bisexuality, homosexuality, drug and alcohol abuse. The same goes for numerous other shows on many networks.
More examples of promoting gays and other not so cool lifestyles.
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Look, I am the same as 1stPalce. I don't hate gays. I also don't wish them any harm. But, to take part in promoting that lifestyle is just plain wrong. Especially for the state & feds. There are plenty of laws on the books now in the USA to protect these people. Where does it stop? How many other groups need special laws & rules & regulations need to be set in place just for them?

My taxable 2 cents

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01-13-2009 02:27 PM  9 years agoPost 50
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I have mixed feelings on this issue. While I firmly believe that gay people are born that way, and that it is very rarely a decision someone makes, I still do not want to expose my kids to it any more than I have to. At their age, the only thing they should be thinking about is when is the next time Dad will takes us sleding, and how many lego's does it take to build a star destroyer.

I mainly don't want to expose them to it because it brings up a lot of hard questions that I am not very good at dealing with. The sad part is that in many ways, that is just a simple cop out on my part.

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01-13-2009 05:49 PM  9 years agoPost 51
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As someone relatively new to the RC helis, I was initially pretty disgusted by the apparent predominance of thoughtless bigotry evident in this thread, and by extension (presumably) in the RC Heli community. On second thought however, I was able to convince myself that it was not necessarily a reflection on RC heli aficionados so much as a reflection on people who have the time and inclination to express themselves on forums, no matter how much off topic, in an effort to see their words in print and to feel superior to others. Kind of sad really.
Bingo

There are many in here that "put pen to paper" because they feel that there is no recourse....they're anonymous.....maybe not to their little clique but to the general public so they will say what ever comes to mind. Read "Who" is responding and more often than not.....it is the same folks over and over again. They are a very small segment of the overall RR community although they like to think they are much bigger.

I get a kick out of some of the vile that is spewed forth here. Many of these folks would never have the guts to say the things they say in here to any of their intended targets out in the "real world". I am openly Gay and make no attempts to hide or disguise it. My partner is a open transgendered person. We are both very active in the RC community. We have never encountered anything but kindness and respect at any of the fields or events we have been to. Now I am not naive, I see the looks people give us when they first encounter us. I am also sure that there is lots of chatter behind our backs. But before long, we pull out our airplanes and people start to see through the outside packaging and understand that we are not from some alien planet.......we're just RC'ers like everybody else. We're fairly decent pilots (certainly not the best but we hold our own) and can "talk the talk" with the best of them.
I personally dont give a hoot what anyone else thinks of me or my sexual disposition. They're not living my life so why should I? Respect me to my face and we will get along swimmingly........disrespect me or my loved one to our face.........then we have a problem. Be a coward and post it on an internet forum............well that shows how much of a "man" (or woman....dont want to discriminate) they are.

I hear the rambling bell going off.

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01-13-2009 05:55 PM  9 years agoPost 52
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I have mixed feelings on this issue. While I firmly believe that gay people are born that way, and that it is very rarely a decision someone makes, I still do not want to expose my kids to it any more than I have to. At their age, the only thing they should be thinking about is when is the next time Dad will takes us sleding, and how many lego's does it take to build a star destroyer.

I mainly don't want to expose them to it because it brings up a lot of hard questions that I am not very good at dealing with. The sad part is that in many ways, that is just a simple cop out on my part.
Probably the most honest post in here.

Chris Elliott

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01-13-2009 06:08 PM  9 years agoPost 53
1stPlace

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Probably the most honest post in here.
I agree 100%. If there is there anything in my posts, in this thread, that isn't factual, please point it out. I would like to know where I'm wrong.

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01-13-2009 06:44 PM  9 years agoPost 54
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I agree 100%. If there is there anything in my posts, in this thread, that isn't factual, please point it out. I would like to know where I'm wrong.
I am not acusing anyone in here of saying anything "wrong". Opinions are like morals..........They are all your own.

I do have an issue (and yes....it is strictly "My Issue" with the application of broad generalisations such as the statement below:
Because every gay person I have ever known personally, was a die hard left wing fascist.
Yes, you do state "every gay person I have Personally known" which probably accounts for less than .00001% of the entire community. There are many of us out there that are quite moderate in our political belief's. Heck......if it weren't for the extreme religious bias percieved from the conservative side......there would be many things I could get on board with. My first "date" with my partner was a trip to the woods to shoot my CETME and 1911. And believe it or not....our kids came to.

Again......someone wants my respect......then stop with the generalisation. It is no different than me pinning some label on you based on the tiny bit of information you have presented here.

Chris Elliott

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01-13-2009 10:41 PM  9 years agoPost 55
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I do have an issue (and yes....it is strictly "My Issue" with the application of broad generalisations such as the statement below:
Because every gay person I have ever known personally, was a die hard left wing fascist.
How is it a broad generalization, when I specifically stated "I have known personally". Which, is obviously a tiny percentage. Being a Libertarian, you know that you are a minority within a minority, right? You know that most gay men and women are typically Democrats, right? Sorry, I fail to see where I made a broad generalization.

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01-14-2009 12:00 AM  9 years agoPost 56
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Actually most of the gay people I personally know are political morons and have no clue which party they affiliate with (my partner included) . Yes....most of those that do have a stated affiliation gravitate toward the party they percieve as the one that doesnt hate them....whether that makes them left wing fascist.....I would have to disagree.

So if you truely believe that you are not making generalisations....what is the point of this statement
Because every gay person I have ever known personally, was a die hard left wing fascist
I'm just trying to point out that not everybody is a carbon copy of the distributed stereotype. The actions and statements from a very few sources should not be constrewed (spelling sux)to be the opinion of the entire population.

Chris Elliott

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