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01-18-2009 05:11 PM  9 years agoPost 61
axemanclint

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Actually it hasn't been fixed yet. I had to send the BEC and lipo back to Ron's for replacement, but UPS screwed up and didnt deliver it on time so now I don't have it to test out this weekend. It should be here tomorrow. I will install it this week and test it again and let you guys know what I find out.

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02-24-2009 10:53 PM  9 years agoPost 62
axemanclint

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Hey Guys,
i'm back with this topic again. I have been working (on and off) on this new T600E for almost a month now!

Here's what i have changed/replaced.
-all three cyclic servos were changed/upgrade to F9257 servos.
-Ron's heliproz south sent me brand new BEC and Lipo for the BEC
-replaced with another brand new Futaba 8Ch 2.4ghz RX
-changed location of BEC and Lipo to front of the heli right next to the ESC and motor and Main Lipo battery.

so far nothing seems to have changed my problems. (see first initial post for all symptoms and problems)

I am just really still at a loss here as to what is going on with this freakin new heli???

Please give any suggestions or ideas that you can, any help is appreciated! I am now basically flying a complete clone of my first T600E, same setup and everything and that one flies great. So what is the difference i am missing with this one that is making it have such weird problems? Its just not reliable and trustworthy. it still will wobble and or shake in a hover and sometimes while in fast forward flight will suddenly jerk or oscillate around. Also the tail still SUCKS! it won't hold for anything. and the gain is really low like around 48 or so. the tail either hunts or Wags nothing in between and no good hold.

Please help thanks.
Clint

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02-25-2009 12:54 AM  9 years agoPost 63
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Same gyro ? Same tail servo? Also what type of servo and how much voltage you have going to it? Check your head speed it sounds like it could be too low if your getting some kind of wobble

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02-25-2009 01:58 AM  9 years agoPost 64
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Yes,
same gyro and tail servo.

Its a Fut. gy401 with the combo 9254 servo on the tail.

This besides the ESC and the Motor are the only electronic components that have not been replaced.

I'm kinda getting tired of switching out all the electronics though on this bird. Also my supplier is not really willing to keep sending me new parts to try out, but if something is wrong with the gyro and or the tail servo then it needs to be addressed! I'm just not sure how to know if that is the case? I have the 5.1 stepdown on the BEC that is taking care of my voltage running to the servos and tail. So that shouldn't be the issue.

AS for the headspeed, it might have something to do with this, but i am trying to attain a slow headspeed for scale purposes and also it isn't that much lower from my other T600E which is flying great. SO...

Anyway,
thanks guys.
keep it coming. i'll keeping providing info on the problems if you guys need more.

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02-25-2009 02:12 AM  9 years agoPost 65
Spitfire1

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W.T.F. This has gone on so long Im scared anything I suggest has already been said anyway.
Codolences.

I bought a brand new RJX 50 kit a couple of years ago that glitched, it got to the point the onlything I hadent changed was the sideframes, skids and tail boom.

I also gave up on a Caliber 30 after 2 years of banging my head against a brickwall.

If only I had just bought a Trex 600 all those years ago, but that dont seem to have worked in your case.

I know what your going through, my case is pretty sad in the fact that me and my old man got into this hobbie as a kind father son thing, it was 3 years of nothing but heartache and failure, a few weeks after he passed away of cancer about a year ago I bought my Trex 600e and its never skipped a beat, I think this makes me the biggest Align cheerleader on this forum for obvious reasons..

I think there does come a point where you have top give up and buy another heli, 2 years trying to get that 30 size peice of crap caliber flying was just insane.!!

You must be very unlucky as I have 4 freinds that own 600e`s, 3 of them own 2 each, plus my one, and none of us have had any issues at all.

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02-25-2009 02:31 AM  9 years agoPost 66
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You must be very unlucky as I have 4 freinds that own 600e`s, 3 of them own 2 each, plus my one, and none of us have had any issues at all.
HAHA!! Yeah that is how i am beginning to feel.

But that just doesn't make any sense. How could one heli be perfectly fine and the other exactly like it have these issues? That just isn't logical, to me at least.

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02-25-2009 02:36 AM  9 years agoPost 67
doorman

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Pictures????
I have the 5.1 stepdown on the BEC that is taking care of my voltage running to the servos and tail. So that shouldn't be the issue.
Could you post some pictures of the mechanics that would show your complete setup and where you might have this stepdown installed??? You may have just hit on your problem.... if you have the stepdown between the bec and the rx some of them do not work properly... they are designed to go between the rx and the servo..... and they can cause some weird sh**.... just a thought.....
I have been through these types of problems on a "few" heli's over the years and am yet to have one beat me....and sometimes when you do find the problem, you wonder how in the hell you EVER missed it!!!!!

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02-25-2009 02:40 AM  9 years agoPost 68
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OK!

Hold tight everyone and i will get some pics posted.

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02-25-2009 02:50 AM  9 years agoPost 69
doorman

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Servo Sizer...
http://electrodynam.com/rc/EDR-203/index.shtml

Also, this is a link to a tool that I use on EVERY heli or plane that I use.... I use it on new servos, old servos, or questionable servos and it has paid for itself several times..... this is one tool that really works and is a major plus in the shop....

Stan

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02-25-2009 03:00 AM  9 years agoPost 70
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Here are the pics of my T600E

You can see that the BEC is attached on the right side frame right next to the Main and BEC Lipo batteries and right above the ESC. I am putting this here only because i am going to be putting this heli into my new scale Fuse and this is the only place i can have it in order to be able to access the battery for charging and the BEC to turn it on and off. On my other 600E i have the BEC mounted in back right next to the tail and the BEC lipo is Velcro attached to the bottom frame underneath the RX.

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02-25-2009 03:09 AM  9 years agoPost 71
doorman

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Your Step Down????
I see the BEC and your set up is exactly the same as mine that is in a AS350... but I cannot see where you have your step down... do you have it between the bec and the rx or just in the port on the rx and then your tail servo is plugged into the step down???
If you have it between your bec and the rx, this could be your problem... that is the question that I had asked.... Stan

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02-25-2009 03:18 AM  9 years agoPost 72
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Oh sorry,
I didn't realize that this was what you asked.
Actually this is aligns new BEC that has a bulit in stepdown into it. So the BEC plugs into the RX through the stepdown.

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02-25-2009 03:26 AM  9 years agoPost 73
doorman

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Another New One!!!!!
Everytime I think I am getting a handle on these electrics, something new pops up again!!!!
Just for the checking.... take a voltage check at your rx with a fresh charge on the airborne battery and the main battery all conected... see if you are getting the 5.1 just to be sure... just a thought!!!!! Over heating servos will do exactly what you are describing...(ask me how I know!!!!:rolleyes

Good Luck.... Stan....

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02-25-2009 03:33 AM  9 years agoPost 74
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Thanks buddy!
How would I take a voltage check at the RX? Not sure how that is done? It shouldn't be the servos, they are brand new 9252's and this problem was doing it even with the old servos. I will do the voltage check though once I know how. But overall you think my setup is fine?
Thanks again, doorman
Cheers,
Clint

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02-25-2009 03:45 AM  9 years agoPost 75
Spitfire1

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Do you fly with anyone else who can see what its doing, I know your not exactly a begginer, but in the begginers foroun theres a post at the top of the page,there with guys willing to help, maybe theres someone there in your area whos also flying a Trex who cans shed some light on this prob.

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02-25-2009 03:53 AM  9 years agoPost 76
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Haha!!! Definitely not a beginner.

Yeah, there are a bunch of guys I fly with that know the 600E. One guy is actually an Align rep, but I haven't seen him in awhile. You guys are giving some more good ideas. I'm gonna try some more of these things out and see how it goes this weekend. I'll keep updating my progress here. Thanks again everyone
Clint

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02-25-2009 12:21 PM  9 years agoPost 77
doorman

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Voltage Check
Clint, if you take a volt meter and just turn a servo connector on its back so that you can see the silver pins in the plug, you can take your reading from there.... the 9252 servos are a real good servo, and I have them in a couple of my machines, but they are rated for 4.8 volts.... if you are at 5.1 with a full charge at the plug, it would not be a problem.... but if you are at 5.8 or higher, this could certainly give you the problem you are talking about....Hope this might be of help..... Stan

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02-25-2009 04:14 PM  9 years agoPost 78
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Hey Doorman, (Stan)
thanks a lot buddy! I totally understand what you are saying about checking the voltage running to the servo, BUUUUTTTTT???

Maybe I'm just being a total bonehead here, but i don't see how to check the servo by turning it over and testing the exposed silver connectors on the plug with it PLUGGED into the RX?

How is this done, i mean wouldn't the servo need to be plugged into the RX in order to receive the correct voltage and if it is plugged into the RX then you can't get any testing probes to its pins????

Sorry, i am just not familiar with testing out a BEC with a working Servo and RX and how this would be done. Maybe i am missing something here and i apologize if i am. thanks for all your help along the way, it is really great and i feel like i am getting somewhere, there's just a few things i still don't fully understand with this.
Cheers,
Clint

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02-25-2009 06:01 PM  9 years agoPost 79
doorman

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No problem, I understand...
Just go to an empty port on the rx and measure from the pins oR just unplug a servo if there are no open channels on your rx

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02-25-2009 06:10 PM  9 years agoPost 80
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ahhhh! I see, that is what i thought probably, but just wanted to make sure. Sorry about the boneheadedness!!!

I'll let you guys know how it went after tonight.
Cheers,
clint

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P.S. By the way Doorman, I love your gallery. What an awesome Vario Jetranger! I'm jealous

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