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01-17-2009 03:50 PM  9 years agoPost 41
#55

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what??? You mean you're not going to make up a bunch of stuff to show that what I typed is wrong???

I guess it's hard to prove the FACTS wrong Son!

I actually just got back from the Airport here in Killeen (skylark field)...I had to drop my parent's off for them to fly home (he's got a Mooney), Anyway guess what was out there??? A Sweet, Brand new (25 hrs) Ec-135...med-evac

I stayed and talked to the pilot for awhile....Arn't you curious to know as to where he learned to fly??? Hawaii perhaps, at LOO Loo's crazy mountain flight-school???

NOPE

He came in the Army and flew 2 Tours in Vietnam, then transitioned to Blackhawks... he got out as a W4, and has been flying med-evac for 8 years...

No Sh*t---True story, your going think I'm making it up though, so oh well.

well, here's some proof- you can track my fathers flight.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N222RJ

Well, enjoy your Loans, and debt, and coughing up the gas money YOURSELF when ya go flying....Hopefully that piston engine keeps working for ya---- It would be a shame if it doesn't.

Dropping Tones!

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01-17-2009 04:58 PM  9 years agoPost 42
ckoelliker

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....Hopefully that piston engine keeps working for ya---- It would be a shame if it doesn't.
That is a bit harsh.

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01-17-2009 07:24 PM  9 years agoPost 43
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lmao
hahahahaha.

You're not a "pilot" if you fly an RC helicopter. Sorry to crush your dreams #HardTruth

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01-17-2009 07:32 PM  9 years agoPost 44
WHITEHOUSE HELI

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Actually #55, I don't want to start a fight, but you are wrong. The military may have been the best choice in past times, but getting your ratings as a civilian makes more sense these days. I think you are too young to know what your talking about, but thats my opinion.

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01-17-2009 08:31 PM  9 years agoPost 45
#55

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so...

I could leave the Army at just turning 26...

I would have my civilian Comm, and CFI (and IE, FI) --- AND approx~ 4,000-5,000 hours

after not paying Anything, except hardship on my family...(which YOUR doing by going into debt)

tell me how a 26 Year-old could have THAT by doing it as a Civ. (excluding being filthy rich)--- and (excluding having well over 100K in debt)

please--- show me. (be sure to include the flight hours)

oh ya--- and have an equivalent to ALL of the Goggle hours, and flying in COMBAT...

(which makes a BIG deal to alot of employers! )

Once again....just the facts!

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01-17-2009 08:39 PM  9 years agoPost 46
FILE IFR

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but getting your ratings as a civilian makes more sense these days.
How do you figure this???

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01-17-2009 08:52 PM  9 years agoPost 47
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If I were in position to hire, I'd give a vet first pick.

Back in 1986 I left the US Navy as an ET1 (Electronics Technician E-6). I was up against a dozen other applicants for a couple of positions as a Field Engineer for Cray Research (Supercomputing!). Many of the others had degrees in Computer Science or Electrical Engineering - some with Masters degrees.

Thank God there were enough folks on the interview panel that saw my military training and experience as great qualifications to offer me one of those positions. It warmed my heart and fattened my wallet.

VETS FIRST!!!

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01-17-2009 09:51 PM  9 years agoPost 48
#55

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yay!!! more people talking sense! I love it.

Dropping Tones!

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01-17-2009 11:22 PM  9 years agoPost 49
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Amen! I couldn't agree more....

#55, as a fellow vet, citizen and former combat aviator, thanks for serving. We are part of a brotherhood a snot nose wannabe could never understand. While he's playing around with an R22 and wishing he was a real man, we are putting it on the line every day...

Nuff said, I plan to block Miyagi so I don't have to read anymore of his BS. Besides, while your building REAL experience and flight time a future employer wants, and getting paid for it, he will be slowly choking under the debt he's incurred to fund his training. I can’t wait for the time to come when he’s interviewing for a job and it’s between him and a former military pilot. Perhaps then, after he gets passed over for the job he will realize how ridiculous his original post, and his attitude is.

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01-18-2009 12:29 AM  9 years agoPost 50
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how is getting your ratings as a civilian a better way to go? as a blackhawk crewchief i can say that my pilots flew their asses off, day, night, nvg, during our recent deployment to iraq. we've encountered all sorts of problems during our 15 month deployment to iraq, with every challenge these pilots knew exactly what to do and when to do it. its drilled in their heads with countless hours of flight time before we even deployed. i've been in situations that no aviator should ever be in. one such event was this past september, my last mission in iraq was flying to kuwait, the unit that replaced us had a ch-47 go down in southern iraq. if you watch the news you know that it was reported that the british qrf was the first to respond to this, they were not, two us army blackhawks did. i was crewing one of them, visibility was total sh!t, my pilots had the training and experience to get us out of this. i owe my life to them and will forever have the trust and respect for an (in my case) army aviator over a civilian trained pilot. it is my life in their hands (on the flight controls) and it is their lives in my hands (with the 240). i just dont understand how anybody can dispute the fact that army aviators such as #55 are well trained and put to the test every day. the end result is a pilot with experience and competency that cannot be disputed.

how can anybody actually say that their civy flight experience is better than military experience?

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01-19-2009 07:14 PM  9 years agoPost 51
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seems like all the comments are coming from military people. I am sure there are pros and cons to both sides. For my situation, I think the civilian route was the best choice. I am not afraid to die for my country, and I commend anyone who has served. I called multiple employers when I started researching what route I wanted to take (civilian vs. military). Most of them said that military pilots have a hard time converting over to function in the civilian work forest. Also, a lot of employers stated that the majority of helicopter pilots currently working in the civilian world were not trained by the military. I am not trying to start a fight with anyone, so if you respond, please do so with respect. Thank you.

You're not a "pilot" if you fly an RC helicopter. Sorry to crush your dreams #HardTruth

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01-19-2009 09:09 PM  9 years agoPost 52
#55

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Good reply! That is a fair/honest way of putting things....and It makes you look like a more decent person.

however:
Also, a lot of employers stated that the majority of helicopter pilots currently working in the civilian world were not trained by the military.
This is a lie.^^^ ( I'm not saying they did not tell you this, I'm saying they lied to you )

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01-19-2009 09:14 PM  9 years agoPost 53
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I will agree that military training can not be beat in the civilian world. I would hope no one would dispute that.

I would also have to say, if it were not for the current confilicts that are going on in the world, military pilots would not be flying as much. There is just no possible way to pay for pilots to fly that much without some sort of conflict.

Had a buddy who went in the Air Force and graduated third in his class. He could have picked fighters or transports. He picked transports because that was where he was going to get hours and crew flight time to use in the civilian world.

I grew up in the "Top Gun" era. It was my dream to fly for the Navy. I wanted F-14's like no tomorrow. Unfortuanetly I didn't have the eyesight and I graduated at a time when nothing was going on and Top Gun had just come out. No way in hell I was going to fly for the Navy without being 100% perfect.

I looked at the Army Recon flying a bit. Just didn't get a good feeling from the recruiter though. He was offering to let me fly second seat in the recon birds and said I would do a lot of flying too. Just didn't feel right though and I didn't want to be doing dishes for 4 years

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01-19-2009 09:53 PM  9 years agoPost 54
Mr. Miyagi

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#55, Why would employers lie to me? That seems a little rediculous. This whole thread is totally one sided because there are no people arguing from the civilian side except me. I don't want to fight, but it's not fair of you to say that the majoirty of civilian world employers would prefer a VET over a well trained civilian. You have to keep in mind that there is some helicopter training that a military person just can't get. Like being a CFI for instance. You have someone trying to kill you (your newbie students) for 800 hours in a R-22 (which is an extremely sensitive heli to fly). The skills that you aquire being a CFI are invaluable! Almost every civilian school said that when military pilots try to fly an R-22 they have a VERY hard time because the controls are so delicate and their skills aren't refined enough. I have heard military people and civilians both claim that if you have enough skill to fly a robbie, you can fly anything. It might be more expensive to train as a civilian, but when you finally reach perfection as a pilot, you can't really say that military people are "better" pilots. Your training is a lot different from the real world. You guys learn to fly different in the military (scud running, flying in formation, etc.) As a civilian, all you are doing your first 1000 hours is perfecting all of your emergency procedures. How much time do you spent practicing that in the military? Not very long at all compared to a civilian! You learn how to fly and then get shipped out to peform.

You're not a "pilot" if you fly an RC helicopter. Sorry to crush your dreams #HardTruth

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01-19-2009 10:08 PM  9 years agoPost 55
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when not in a war zone, practicing ep's are commonplace. the army has fi's, si's, and mtp's just like the civilian world.

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01-19-2009 10:31 PM  9 years agoPost 56
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it's not fair of you to say that the majoirty of civilian world employers would prefer a VET over a well trained civilian.
I think there is a misunderstanding. Nobody has made that claim. It is however very true that many employers who are veterans will look after their own. It is a comfort level with who they are hiring. If you are applying for a job in the HR dept. of UC Berkeley then a military background probably won't be much good.
If I were in position to hire, I'd give a vet first pick.
This is my opinion only and not the world's opinion. I should clarify that if all else is fairly equal between a vet and a non-vet, and the vet has a good military record, then I would hire the vet.

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01-20-2009 02:21 AM  9 years agoPost 57
#55

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grrr.....
As a civilian, all you are doing your first 1000 hours is perfecting all of your emergency procedures. How much time do you spent practicing that in the military? Not very long at all compared to a civilian!
dude-----you are KILLING me!!!

thanks again Shawn037 for setting the record straight
when not in a war zone, practicing ep's are commonplace. the army has fi's, si's, and mtp's just like the civilian world.
do we practice emergency procedures??? ya- only EVERYDAY ALL THROUGH 2 YEARS OF FLIGHT-SCHOOL!!!! and then for the rest of your life

Chapter 5, and 9 heard of em???

In military aircraft you have a "-10" (dash ten) it is the "operators manual" to that aircraft....everything from a Blackhawk to a F-18 to the Shuttle has a -10...

There are 9 chapters....

Chapters 5 is ALL limitations (everything that has a limit)

Chapter 9 is EMERGENCY PROCEDURES ( everything from the definition of "Land as soon as possiable" to "Electrical fire in flight" )

OK.......EVERYTHING in those TWO chapters we (and ALL military pilots) have COMPLETELY MEMORIZED VERBATIM!!!

AT any given time we are subject to a complete 5, and 9 test.... You don't wana know what happens to your reputation if you EVER score poorly on one...

ONCE again---- your saying stuff that aint true.

oh and in addtion to that---- We go to Simulators (20 million dollar simulators ) at least ONCE PER WEEK to practice what?????

you guessed it--- EMERGENCY PROCEDURES!!!! ding ding ding

come on man.... And I'm sure i'v done more autos to the ground than you

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01-20-2009 02:39 AM  9 years agoPost 58
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Ahhh 5 and 9 the infamous chapters that are non neg. I hate all other airframes because of there chapters are soooo much smaller than ours lol. But oh well comes with being attack!!!! tip of the spear
I have to learn all the -10, ATM, Instruments, weather, air med, aerodynamics, weapons, and tactics.

Makes my head want to explode hehe but hey I get to blow **** up!!!

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01-20-2009 03:57 AM  9 years agoPost 59
#55

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I have to learn all the -10, ATM, Instruments, weather, air med, aerodynamics, weapons, and tactics.
same here.....

Are ya getting our point... Blackhawks, Apaches--- doesn't matter...The information WE are required to know at ALL times is MUCH more than you have ever had to demonstrate...

I have got a civilian license- I know.

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01-20-2009 07:14 AM  9 years agoPost 60
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Windows or Mac.....
Who likes what more?

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