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08-24-2008 01:48 PM  12 years ago
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baby_zyklon

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Who said that the 700N doesn't require any upgrade...
Congratz Align. I have found two potential upgrades that you can start selling-Main shafts and Tail shafts that don't rust.

I have only own mine for 3weeks and its already rusting. I admit that my local climate is hot and humid, but I still think it is all due to quality of the metal the align choose to use. Why? Because I keep the 700N in my bed room while I keep my Raptor in my kitchen(where water is boiled and dinner is cooked everyday) and yet I don't ever see my raptor shafts rusting like this. I am using a brand new ys91sr which is running rich, so in theory there should be a decent amount of oil floating around in the exhaust fume and looking at the frames after a flight, I believe there is. So the shafts should be already lightly oil coated.

There is no doubt this thing flys great and the kit price is really cheap for a 90 that "doesn't require upgrades". Parts are cheap too. However, I am starting to think this thing might need a few upgrades...

1. The ball links. For goodness sake, please come out with some upgrade ball links that actually goes on straight. I am willing to pay for this upgrade.

2. I am willing to pay for main and tail shafts that don't rust so soon. Just get me some. Thanks.

3. The rubber grommet on the canopy cost $6 for a pack of 4. Usually I won't complain even if they sell such rarely required items at 4 for $10, but on my 3 weeks old 700n, one of them is already cracking. I am expecting these to be a regular maintance item like dampers. Is align coming out with some upgraded longer lasting rubbers?

4. Ok, this is probably just me. I have problem with socket button head screws. I tend to strip their head after repeated tightening and loosening, so I have the habit of changing to new ones every other time I take one out. Initially I thought no biggie, I could get some at the local screw shop for like 10cents or 15cents each. But boy was I wrong, the 3mm button heads align is using is not quite the generic stuff and you guess it, align wants 50cents a pop. Probably not, but did align got those from their vaccum cleaner assembly line? Is there a screw set upgrade availabe that uses the normal socket head which allows more length of the allen wrench to bite in?
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08-24-2008 03:03 PM  12 years ago
TmMugen

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Well said..!! Align please do something about the links. At this price, I am not complaining but please do something
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08-24-2008 04:01 PM  12 years ago
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I have no idea how to respond to some of these posts. 99% of the time i just simply keep quiet but just HAVE to reply to this!

I certainly hope you do not own ANYTHING else made from steel, like guns etc! If you do i am sure that is all rusted also unless you were lucky enough to have not cleaned the oil from it.

Instead of throwing Align under the bus for something simple like this........try keeping your heli clean and oiled.........just a thought.

Lenny.....................

I am so sick of Align bashers!
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08-24-2008 07:00 PM  12 years ago
maj

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If you really want to do something about the links then there are plenty of substitutes out there.

I personally have changed every ball to Quick UK SUS stainless steel and all of the ball links to Quick UK (Rocket City).

Is it neccessary prob not but I know these Quick UK balls and links are super hardwearing and smooth.

I beleive Align has identified and ammended the problem so new links should be available. I have never know a helicopter company react so quickly to problems as Align.

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08-24-2008 10:55 PM  12 years ago
03fomoco

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Holly S^%t
Rust and links... this is the end of the world to you, try flying a little more and you will find it will self oil the tail nicely, what do you want for 700 bucks, plated parts, steel is strong, steel also rusts... As for the links, some thread straight some don't when they don't they are off by what .5 degrees.

You guys should be glad you weren't around for real issues, Raptor tracking issues, clutch issues, Hirobo one way issues... the list goes on and on...
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08-24-2008 11:42 PM  12 years ago
yoshgixxer

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yea my links are crooked...but so what it flys like a monster....a little sos pad will clean them shafts right up! and some tri flow or w-d will stop it from coming back!dude..wheres my heli?????ama#902014
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08-24-2008 11:57 PM  12 years ago
baby_zyklon

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Ok. So I made a post and stated my thoughts. I said I am WILLING TO PAY for the upgrades as this is A CHEAP KIT AND SPARES ARE CHEAP. Don't want to start a flaming war, but please go back and re-read my post. I did say this thing is cheap to own and parts are cheap. I did add that I am WILLING TO PAY for the upgrades. This is a cheap kit that I never expected to be trouble-free. So Please read through my post before the flaming.

Lennydude, in my country, its firearms are illegal, even the expanded shells are illegal, but its mandatory to serve in the army for 2 full years, so yeah, I did have a personal rifle at one point of my life. And yes, it rusted like no tomorrow each time I bring it out for exercise. In the second week, the tail shaft started rusting, I applied some oil on the tail shaft, but it doesn't seems to stop the rusting.

Maj, mind pointing me to the balls and links? The threads on the quickuk balls are the same as those on the align right?

03fomoco, if you have links that are off by like 10degrees, you will be looking for upgrade links too. Most are just a few degrees off, but a few are 10 or MORE. No matter how I try to start out straight, it just ends up at an angle. And yes, I have been around with the raptor v1. Looking at the date of joining the forum, it seems I was around here before you. I went through the clutch issue. I went through the sloppy grip issue. I went through the tail grip flying off issue. The v2 fixed it all, but I think thundertiger was too slow because by then, a lot of aftermarket parts were already out.
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08-24-2008 11:58 PM  12 years ago
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I'm sorry guys, but LennyDude and 03fomoco missed the point baby_zyklon was trying to make. He wasn't bashing Align and what if he was? Are we now subject to the Align thought police on this forum?
Seems the Align loyalist have swung the pendulum the other way on Align bashing.

Anyway, I agree that the links are not that big an issue and so does the OP. But, prematurely rusted steel parts could be a big issue. Easily rusted steel usually indicates a bad steel mix. I've seen this problem on many parts coming out of Chinese production plants recently. This problem is not limited to heli parts either.

I hope Align is doing product reliability testing. Heli heads flying apart would not be good for their reputation no matter how many contests Lukas Riva wins.
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08-25-2008 01:13 AM  12 years ago
LennyDude

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All i can say is............i did and do understand his point. Once steel starts to rust and the rust penetrates the pores of the steel.......too late.
It seems the shafts were not properly oiled in the first place which is hardly Aligns fault. Were they rusting out of the box? I am sure they were not or the OP would have raised wholly heck!
And no, I am not an Align loyalist! I have been flying helis for over 30 years and these incredibly small issues really do NOT deserve to be complained about like this.
Kits nowadays are just plain incredible............all brands. But they are STILL kits and nothing is 100%. Align has by itself grown this sport 100 times over and they continue to produce excellent products.
I just hate it when they are "bashed" for such small, insignificant reasons.........thats all.
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08-25-2008 07:32 AM  12 years ago
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4. Ok, this is probably just me. I have problem with socket button head screws. I tend to strip their head after repeated tightening and loosening, so I have the habit of changing to new ones every other time I take one out. Initially I thought no biggie, I could get some at the local screw shop for like 10cents or 15cents each. But boy was I wrong, the 3mm button heads align is using is not quite the generic stuff and you guess it, align wants 50cents a pop. Probably not, but did align got those from their vaccum cleaner assembly line? Is there a screw set upgrade availabe that uses the normal socket head which allows more length of the allen wrench to bite in?
Not only you, me and my friend had this problem during the build.
I end up using a 3.5 mm bolt with some red locktite.
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08-25-2008 08:06 AM  12 years ago
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Yea, crappy Align. Align should just stop making Helis. Then we can go back to the high dollar helis. Then, and only then we will appreciate what Align has done for this hobby.
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08-25-2008 10:52 AM  12 years ago
maj

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The balls are a standard 3mm thread. Visit quickuk.co.uk, general items and then control balls. You need the low profile for the servo horns, 4mm stand off for the bellcranks, and 6mm stand off for the Swashplate. Buy a selection of long and short links and you are set.

I'm flybarless so no Align links at all but you will need to keep the grip stand off and flybar cage balls. Use the Quickuk link but ream out slightly with an align ball you will have just taken off.

MJ
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08-25-2008 01:21 PM  12 years ago
rcdaddy

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Even with some upgrade, trex 700 is clearly the best 90 out there. I agree with
glfloat, only when Align goes back to do only vacuum cleaners, you will feel how much appreciation we need to give to them.
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08-25-2008 01:50 PM  12 years ago
TmMugen

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Guys please lah...if we are "bashing" Align, would we still own one? I got a 600N, 700N..

Come on, these are all constructive comments that will make Align a better company? Isn't it so? Or should I said didn't we all hope so in order for us to have a better heli to enjoy?
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08-25-2008 02:23 PM  12 years ago
baby_zyklon

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I appreciate all the replies. Just to make myself clear again, I don't hate align. Look at my signature and you will understand.

But in all honesty, if align were to stop making heli, I don't think it matters to everyone as much as to the align fans. For sure, Align has done a lot for the r/c heli scene, but it doesn't seem to me that it has affected other r/c brands/manufacturers, except for their sales. Thundertiger is still laid-back and sticking to their old raptors, JR and MA parts are as expensive as they were, while hirobo upgrades are still priced high up there. Perhaps the other big names will take action in the future, but for now, all I can see is that they are still like how they were in the past.

IMO, the 700N is a heli of superb value and flys great. The quality of the kit I received is just not as good. Period.

Tooly, you used 3.5mm? I thought the screws are 3mm? What did you do to the "shouldered" part of the screw that goes into the CF frame?
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08-25-2008 02:31 PM  12 years ago
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Tooly, you used 3.5mm? I thought the screws are 3mm? What did you do to the "shouldered" part of the screw that goes into the CF frame?
My mistake, I thougt you wrote about the cap in the head of the heli, the thread there wasn't good from first place.
The bolts in the frame was ok.
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08-25-2008 02:39 PM  12 years ago
Pistol Pete

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Rust issues in high humidity zones?

ie:Florida, Singapore

http://www.corrosionX.com

Ordinary oil will not stop corrosion...just lubricate it.

I can't stop praising this product enought...thanks for the opportunity to do so.
~~Enjoying the hobby one flight at a time~~
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08-25-2008 06:09 PM  12 years ago
kirk

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I have a ma heli in the basement that came from the east cost that has rust on the mainshaft, and a logo 6003D that also came from a high humidity area with rust on the main shaft. Pretty common problem in high humidity areas... Buy used heli's from Colorado There is little to no humidity here...

The links do suck, but I am sure they will be fixed soon...

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08-25-2008 06:45 PM  12 years ago
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Well as far as im concerned, it shouldnt matter if you are paying £500 or £2000, metal shouldnt be rusting like this. I have a mate who has a 700n that has been used practically every day, cleaned religiously, and has 5 gallons through it, and the bearings all have rust oozing out in a paste and the main and tail shafts are showing corrosion spots. Not good. I also dont go for what some of you are saying, that its down to lack of maintenance, thats a load of bull. I have been flying a synergy, Knight 3D, T-rex 500, T-rex 600e all for the past 2 years or so, and none of those machines are doing this, so it is surely down to poor quality materials. The 700n flys well, but this is a seriously let down in quality.
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08-25-2008 07:08 PM  12 years ago
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Sorry, but you are quoting on a friends heli!

You can not be sure of the environment it is kept in or what has happened to it while you aren't there!

Mine has been flown in the rain, both heavy and drizzly! Obviously had to land and pack it away, but couldn't put it back in the car till it had cooled down!

Now my 700 has no signs of rust and no gunge oozing from the bearings!

It is flown nearly every day and it was from the 1st batches in the UK!

Sorry people but steel rusts!

"Jamien9" your helis may not have rusted, but you can't comment on someone else's, even your friends.
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