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08-24-2008 02:10 PM  12 years ago
daytona7

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Pawn shops give less than 1/4 of the going price on e-bay and most will not take what they consider "Toys".
Yard sales can be iffy depending on your area. I've had one yard sale where I was close to giving stuff away and only had a few sales. Later that night I saw one visitor to the yard sale, who just happened to own a second hand shop in the next town, come back in a van and get ready to load stuff that I was puting out for the garbage pickup. When she saw me she asked if it was alright if she went through the stuff at the curb. I told her that I did not mind but if she would hold off for a sew seconds, I'd help her with her pick. Went back inside and came out with a 16 lb sledgehammer and started to FIX and MIX the stuff. Turned around then told her now she could help herself to anything she wanted. As she was going back to her van empty handed, she called me a Cheap SOB! Tried another yard sale before moving into an RV 4 months ago and only sold the washer and dryer during the 3 weekend sale. Donated the rest, including an 8 person solid Maple Dinning Room set and 2 LazyBoy's to the local Salvation Army. Sure I took a big loss, but at least I know that the money the re-seller gets will go to a GOOD cause not in some cheap arsed store owners pocket.
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08-24-2008 02:35 PM  12 years ago
Pistol Pete

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When the guy asked what it was worth the HS owner basically trashed it and said it wasn't really worth anything.
to original poster....

The above piece of information was not in your firt post as you added this much later, therefor you changed your story thus making the LHS owner look bad...not that it matters to me.

Oh well...the devil is in the details.
"If you already made your purchase, I'd ask you to leave and make room for the other customers".

I said, "You know, I was wondering if I should take the helicopter too. Thanks for helping me decide", and left.
I would have cancelled my order then and there.
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08-24-2008 02:45 PM  12 years ago
AltecLansing

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I've only scanned this thread, but I do have to ask, what's your car worth? Look up the blue book or nada value of it. Then try to trade it in on a new or used car. I agree 85 is low for a used heli. The store wanted to make money. The seller should have did some price comparison before selling and then he could have negotiated higher, keeping in mind that a local hobby shop will not give him what he can get for it on ebay or through here. After all, why would a hobby shop pay 200 for an item and turn around and sell it for 200 just because that is what its worth?Man, I miss the eighties.
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08-24-2008 02:53 PM  12 years ago
Pistol Pete

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I've only scanned this thread
my post before yours sums it up...he changed the story with one very important detail.

Asking what its worth vs how much would you give me...are two galaxies apart in my world.
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08-24-2008 04:55 PM  12 years ago
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The above piece of information was not in your firt post as you added this much later, therefor you changed your story thus making the LHS owner look bad...not that it matters to me.

Oh well...the devil is in the details.
I did add that in later. I guess I didn't really get that across in my OP but I meant to so I was trying to elaborate a little more. I would have added that sooner but wasn't able to check the thread much yesterday. He just told the guy that he was surprised it was even able to even fly it with that radio(becuase it was a non computer radio), that the gyro was junk, that it was old and that it was worth about $75. This is the thing that caught my attention because the heli itself looked in nice shape. It really reminded me of a used car salesman putting down someones trade in so they can give them less money for it. It had the stock wooden blades and just looked like it wasn't used much. Nothing appeared broken or anything. It was actually in pretty nice shape. To me he took it to the hobby shop for an appraisal because he trusted the shop would give him an honest answer and I don't think he got one. I kind of don't really like this guy anyway due to his attitude when I've been in there in the past. He tends to not be very friendly a lot of times and if you show up with something he doesn't sell he pretty much tells you it's junk. The only heli stuff he regularly sells is the E-Flite stuff so I don't really have a reason to go in there usually but will go in time to time for misc things because he's close. Oh well just thought I'd share an experience with you all. I'll let you know if I find out anything else.
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08-24-2008 05:00 PM  12 years ago
ruddernate

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hard to even discuss this w/out knowing details, servos,engine condition, etc. my guess is the hs owner could've gave him $150 or so and still marked up 100% but who knows. it may have been little more than scrap metal. should've done the research before selling. also when i go to a garage sale i'll sometimes make a lowball offer to start. if the seller accepts do you really think i'm going to say "oh wait i think it's worth more than that" and up my own bid. that would be crazy. granted he asked what is it worth but i agree with the previous post that he told him what it is worth to him. he is trying to make a living and even selling as an individual if i'm only gonna make $100 is it worth my time cleaning it up fixing what is wrong etc. again though not knowing the heli's condition it's impossible to say.fly it like you stole it
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08-24-2008 05:07 PM  12 years ago
MrNiceGuy

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Yeah I really wish I had all the details. If the engine didn't run or something maybe I could see that but I didn't get that impression. Maybe I'll go back in there and see what the real deal with it is. Then we will know more. From what I heard though it sounded questionable to me.
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08-24-2008 05:17 PM  12 years ago
ruddernate

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i agree let us know if you gather more info.fly it like you stole it
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08-24-2008 05:21 PM  12 years ago
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What a bunch of whining!!!
So if I run a business I am to make absolutely sure that everyone I deal with makes a profit, even at the expense of my own??

To those who are upset with the LHS owner: When you go to buy a car are you careful to never negotiate the deal, so as to make sure that the seller or dealer doesn't get hosed on the profit??

Come on, everyone has a right to bargain on whatever they are buying. The LHS owner would have to clean up that (probably no longer made) V1 Raptor, mess with the engine, check the radio etc. etc. before he could sell it.

Factor in hours of his time and effort and the space the thing will take up and what could he have made on it?? In his eyes it was probably worth very little.

To all you clock-punchers out there, if you can't make a profit you can't stay in business.
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08-24-2008 05:22 PM  12 years ago
donald107

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Let me guess your talking about spare time hobbies?
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08-24-2008 10:10 PM  12 years ago
E J Atchison

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Hey I see a lot of people putting values on unseen product, well I have an old Raptor with a SCALE fuse. How much you willing to pay for it? it includes motor and servos, I think it still has a gyro in it, and it has a custom paint job to boot! I see a bunch of people saying an old V1 50 stock should be $500 I expect my scaler should be much more.

And to think I just put it up on a shelf a few years ago, I may get enough out of it to do a new 600N Super Pro
I'll admit I'm not a great pilot, but I can hover with the best of them.
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08-24-2008 11:43 PM  12 years ago
ruddernate

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fly it like you stole it
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08-25-2008 06:23 AM  12 years ago
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This thread seems like a joke to me. So let me get this straight... V1 Raptor, could be 8 or 9 years old right? A non computer radio, non computer? Are you kidding? That is worth $0.00. Was it a gold stickered AM upgrade and an airplane radio to boot? What engine.. I assume it is the same relative age as the heli, and a very good chance it has been sitting for years, possibly seized and worthless since parts may no longer be available maybe worth $0.00. A gyro you didn't recognize, maybe a Futaba 153BB mechanical gyro worth $0.00 (except maybe to a museum)? How bout the servos? If they came with the non-computer radio... $0.00.

I know some would love to believe this is a $600.00 package, and maybe it does have a set of JR8717's on cyclic and an 8900 on the tail...yeah right. Truth is, without any further details this might be worth $150.00, in which case the LHS owner was fair at $85.00.

Just the fact that this heli has a non-computer radio is generally enough to tell you the what the relative level of the rest of the equipment was likley to be since computer radios for helis were mid-range radios when the Raptor 30 was realeased in the US and non-computer were lowest-end and came with servos barely fitting for a .40 sized trainer airplane.

Unless you can confirm that the rest of the equipment was far above the radio's level, I think $150.00 would be the max used value for this bird and the LHS was realistic with his appraisal.

Some of you guys are unrealistic and brutal in my opinion. There aren't enough facts to say for sure, but the few facts available lend credence to a $150.00 value max.
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08-25-2008 07:49 AM  12 years ago
twitch

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I cant believe people are putting this much time and thought into their posts and arguing over this topic. lol
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08-25-2008 03:29 PM  12 years ago
E J Atchison

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sid-fmx, so right. However I'm still waiting for bids on my scalerI'll admit I'm not a great pilot, but I can hover with the best of them.
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08-25-2008 04:29 PM  12 years ago
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lets see V1 noncomputer radio more then likely old antiquated servos too more then likely antiquated gyro. value to me about 50 bucks the radio equipment would all go in the trash air frame and maybe the engine is all about worth keeping but even then not much. There is not much of a resale on outdated stuff. As for the radio not knowing what it is and the date of manu I can only assume it is a older maybe gold stickered one or possible to be a bit newer one but still non computer its almost impossible to give that junk away. But I do have to agree with a few here its funny as some think it is a 500 or more heli you would be hard pressed to get that for a v2 even.
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