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08-23-2008 05:36 AM  12 years ago
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Eyetops or something else?
Are eyetops the best for the job when working solo or is there something better?
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08-23-2008 04:28 PM  12 years ago
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There are more expensive "video glasses", but dollar for dollar my vote is for the Eyetops.
One of the nice advantages over some other glasses is that they allow you to fly the heli by looking out the regular lens of the glasses then glance over to frame up your shot.
Just my 2 cents
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08-23-2008 06:20 PM  12 years ago
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My recommendation: don't use anything to line up the shot while working solo. Your attention needs to be on the heli LOS all the time. I used the "shoot and pray" method when I was solo, thats take alot of shots moving the heli itself around and praying for the right shot.
I had a set of eyetops and felt my full attention wasnt where it needed to be, your eye has to adjust and readjust so much its not safe.
Mike
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08-23-2008 08:13 PM  12 years ago
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I can't agree with the last poster, with my own caveat. And this was after three years of shooting 'blind' myself.
I would agree if you don't use a stabilizer. I tried it and it was way too difficult...I abandoned the idea after not being able to frame shot while the heli went off on a direction of its own choosing. Once I put on a Helicommand device, things changed. I can frame the photo safely, just takes a glance and a move of the tail. It only takes 2-3 seconds max. I don't do any up/down adjustment via tilt servos, just left right of tail or flying heli forward, backward, up or down to align. Much of that can be done, and should be done the convetional way by looking at the camera. Once you are close to where you thing you want to be, hover and glance at the video view and align. Works great, cuts down on wasted shots and you don't have to 'hope' you got a shot you want, you will know you got it.
There will be jobs you won't want to use the video if solo depending on the circumstances of the shot (my last job like that was a road shot in 30 mph winds).
The important thing is stabilization assist you can trust.
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08-23-2008 10:18 PM  12 years ago
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I shot for a long time solo without using a stabiliser, and it's certainly awkward, but not impossible. You need to keep your eyes on the heli the majority of the time, and then look at the downlink to see how the composition needs to be changed, then look back at the heli whilst you change, checking the downlink periodically.

With a stabiliser it's that much easier ...

David

PS. I use an old pair of Eyetops Classics mounted to a baseball cap to act as Centras (ie. the screen is under the eye):

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08-23-2008 10:51 PM  12 years ago
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the eyetops are alright but if you want a better solution i think the sharper image are the best,you have a screen on each eye but they sit low on the nose so you still have full view of your surroundingsTake offs are optional,landings are mandatory
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08-24-2008 12:51 AM  12 years ago
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How do you get a screen on each eye? do you need 2 sets of eyetops and take the screen from one of them and add to the other?
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08-24-2008 02:16 AM  12 years ago
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no Dude,the sharper image video glasses (Myvu)have two screens and as i said they sit lower on the nose kinda like grany yeglasses so you have full view of your surroundings and of corse you have the screens so you can watch what you're doing,unfortunately their website is down at the moment but they are by far better than the eyetop

http://www.sharperimage.com/

look at the very bottom of this link

http://www.myvu.com/Allinone.html?k...CFQ89awodp37ikw
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08-25-2008 06:00 AM  12 years ago
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I always wondered about those dual video goggles and being able to see around them. I thought they were more for FPV flying or a second camera person. I have a set of eyetops that work pretty well. I like the built in sunglasses to cut down glare when looking at the heli. I assume you wouldn't be able to use sunglasses with the dual screen goggles, right?

Tip
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08-28-2008 08:34 AM  12 years ago
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yea i always wondered about the myvu gogles my self,i just bought a set and received them yesterday,the picture quality is just as good as the eyetop but they're way better for ap since you can see in every direction as you're watching,

i havent done any ap but i tryed them on my ipod to watch a movie and i like them alot,theres no comparason,this thigns are great,i loaned them to my daughter and she like them so much that im going to buy a second pair just for her,

whats best about the dual screen gogles is that it doesnt hurt your eyes like the eyetop do because one eye is focused on the screen and the other is focused on the surroundings,

i payed $95 shipped for mine on ebay,i got the universal ones since i want to be able to use them on anything with a audio video output,they're perfect for ap in my opinion,heres the site,they have a simulation of what it looks like while you wear them,check it out

http://www.myvu.com/Experience.html
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08-29-2008 08:56 AM  12 years ago
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switch26,
would be interested to hear your thoughts once you have tried them for AP,
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08-29-2008 12:47 PM  12 years ago
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switch26

Found those here too. Better price Bestbuy.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage...tegories&ks=960

Here some with shades.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage...d=1211455017758
Hard job competing with gravity.
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08-29-2008 01:59 PM  12 years ago
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What do you have to do to hock the myvu up to a downlink..?
Solder a cable? or will it have the right attachment with it?

Daniel
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08-29-2008 02:07 PM  12 years ago
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Hook up universal.

http://www.myvu.com/catalog/product.../products_id/41
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11-23-2008 12:51 AM  11 years ago
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Would it be possible to wear regular glasses at the same time as the Myvu?

/Jesper
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11-23-2008 03:56 AM  11 years ago
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Eyetop vs. Myvu. what are you getting
Your getting something that really is subjective to personal preference! However, my views on using both.

The MyVu have an lens kit you can buy that comes with a 4.00, 2.00 and a non-prescription glass frame. This frame fits the screen area only and does not pertrude above it. They lay right on the screens.
It looks as if you could wear glasses, but I have not tried it since I had the eye surgery done. What is your prescription for? If you can't see things far away, you might be able to get bi-focals with zero prescription on the bottom end as your looking out over the top of the two screens. You can also take the blank accessory frame to your eye doctor and get a lens made for it which is a better idea as it would be cheaper then getting a full size bi-focal lens made if it would work for your prescription.

The Eyetops screen is mounted for the right eye only. If your vision is weak in your left eye then this may be a problem for you and the two screen MyVu may be better for you to wear.

My problem with the MyVu's were are most likely the angle of my nose just happening to be one that doesn't allow me to see the screens easily. There is no nose-bridge adjustment on them and it is a cheap design frame. I mean it really is a poorly designed frame, the side frames are just too sloppy loose in the hinges for me.
I've tried wearing them up and down on the length on my nose and have a hard time getting the proper viewing angle to see the screens.
Wearing a retaining strap for both the MyVu and Eyetops should be mandatory while flying with them.

I'm thinking about trying what Hogster has done mounting the Eyetops from the bill of the hat, but with these Myvu's you really restrict your vision upwards wearing a baseball cap. Or maybe it is just the two screens blocking out the lower view area makes you feel your looking through a view slot on a tank turret, (one of the old tanks from WWII)
The Eyetops seemed to work better than the MyVu's while wearing a hat, for me anyway. Someone else will have a different experience.
With the Eyetops I can see really well and making the transition from normal view to the screen is easy for me probably because I have worn glasses for years and am used to it.
I found that the MyVu frame let in light from the sides and this reflected on the screen so you have to watch that. The Eyetops did not do this.

Something else about the single screen Eyetops that I like is that you do have the left eye totally free to see up and down. So when I am at a new site or a rough ground area I can see where I'm stepping. Not that your really walking around with the Tx, but one mis-step or stumble can cause you to move a stick where you do not want it to go.
The MyVu's having the two screens blocks out your vision to the ground right in front of you.

Both goggles do allow you to see your Tx in your hands as you hold it, but it is a limited view.
The Eyetops also have a focusing screen on the monitor so you can adjust it to get sharp focus, the MyVu's do not have this feature and they should to make them a better goggle.
While the Eyetops plastic frame is better then the MyVu's, both frames really do require that you wear a retaining strap on them so they do not fall off. (said it twice now-take the hint )

The Eyetops come with a DVD player and wearable over the shoulder case. Throw out the dvd player and your video downlink Rx fits into the case nicely and you can carry the battery for it as well in another side pouch that it comes with.
The MyVu's come with a small semi-hard case that fit the goggles and cables only. The MyVu being a later technology has a smaller electronics adapter with a built in rechargeable battery that you attach your iPod or video downlink to. So you have to find something to carry your Rx in.
The Eyetops being older technology comes with a bit larger electronics adapter that is powered by 4 double AA batteries.
If the battery in the MyVu dies, your stuck trying to get another power source. It is a good idea to maybe get your Lipo battery charger at work here instead of the supplied charger. We need to find out what kind of battery is in the MyVu's first.

On both goggles the cables are a weight hanging off the goggles. it is better to have them attached to the side of a hat to carry the weight.

my 2 cents.
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11-23-2008 09:16 PM  11 years ago
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Seablade,

I really appreciate you taking the time to write all that good info!

Seems to me that Eyetops is no more? Anyone know if you can still get them somewhere?

/Jesper
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11-23-2008 09:51 PM  11 years ago
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My pair I bought from a fellow by the name of Dave through email contact.
however, he has them listed on ebay, last week he had 11 pair left and when I just checked he had 6...err 5, I just bought another for back up!
comes out to $209.00 with shipping.
ebay has a 10% discount going on right now so it's less.
http://cgi.ebay.ca/EyeTop-Centra-Vi...A1%7C240%3A1318
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11-25-2008 02:12 PM  11 years ago
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Thanks again Seablade!

Now he's down to four!

/Jesper
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11-26-2008 08:52 AM  11 years ago
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What do you guys using the Profi use, do you still need the eyetops or myvu or do you have a bit more time to look away at a laptop or something like a monitor on a tripod?

I'm looking at getting the Profi so am curious.
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