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08-22-2008 07:27 PM  12 years ago
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jet ranger 1

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BUYER BEWARE!!!
Hello fellow pilots,

I just wanted to let everyone especially in the custom scale forums
to watch out for certain people that say they can build you certain parts like scale landing gear, etc... I sent money to "(KBHELI) (Ken) KB HELI CUSTOM BUILDING & REPAIRS" over 2/1/2 monthes ago. Never heard from him again! Never answered my emails, never sent my money back! I only wish that I had not let my paypal payment lapse 45 days! I would have disputed it. But I did find out that this So called building & repairs does not even have a store number through paypal. As a newbie
here I did not think I would be taken atleast right off the bat! So my
warning here is for ALL the begginers to be sure and research the people and get some feedback from other people who are familiar with the person before you send any monetary to anyone. I only wish I could have read something like this before my incident. I hope this helps somebody out there.

JET
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08-22-2008 07:35 PM  12 years ago
AltecLansing

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You aren't the first to have problems with him. It took several weeks to get my landing gear.

I thought you had 60 days with paypal to file a dispute?
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08-22-2008 08:00 PM  12 years ago
BrentC

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Sorry to hear that he stiffed you to. I bought his Jet Ranger from him and it has been over a month now with no replies. He had good feedback here on RunRyder from previous purchases, but sadly I think he has gone to the dark side. I have filed a compalint with Pay Pal.That can't be good!
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08-22-2008 08:39 PM  12 years ago
twitch

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It sounds like there is way to much of this going around. We should start a thread with a list of poor sellers and scammer.
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08-22-2008 08:52 PM  12 years ago
doorman

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Sorry To Hear.....
He has not moved to the dark side, but more is at a VERY DARK time in his life..... parents should not have to bury their children....
http://www.runryder.com/t304162p6/?p=3540743#RR
I do not know him personally, but only from here on RR...

I know that he was having a very hard time, and hopefully once he is able to move on an accept his families loss, I am hoping that we will be able to welcome him back into our family....
Don't give up on him....and I hope all works out for him and any of you that he may owe something.... but there is also a time for compassion... slip those shoes on and just imagine what it might be like.....then post your thoughts.... I am not saying it is OK to stiff someone, but if it were me I would have to give them some time, and I really don't know if I would even bother them until he comes back online.... JMHO, and wanted to shed a little light, just in case you didn't know about their loss....

Stan
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08-22-2008 08:55 PM  12 years ago
shuttlepilot

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I agree with sid-fmx on this. There seems to be a GREAT DEAL more of this going on than I have ever seen in the last 5 years that I have been on this forum. What is the deal? I guess when economics and money starts getting tighter in the country people start the ripping off thing. I've never had a bad deal on here, but I'm already mentally prepared to "take the hit" so to speak one day. Really sad.. you can't even trust feedback any more.Gas is Great
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08-22-2008 09:30 PM  12 years ago
BrentC

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Helping him out was what I wanted to do when I purchased the heli, but to not reply to e-mails makes me suspicious. Sorry if I am judging him incorrectly, but I have been given heads up by other pilots here on RunRyder that a family tragedy is often a means to con softies like me If his situation is legitimate, I wish him and his family the best, but a short e-mail with his intentions would be a welcome courtesy to those who are wondering about their purchases.
Guess I have been spoiled by the many great people in the RC community that I had my guard down.
Thanks
That can't be good!
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08-22-2008 09:40 PM  12 years ago
jet ranger 1

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Hey Doorman,

Well, I am sorry to hear that. But I just wish he would have not taken my money up front knowing it might be next year before he decideds to make them or respond to my emails! I kinda wanted to fly my heli pretty soon ya know. But if this is truly the cause of his actions, then I will send over my deepest apologies and condolences. But if he did take me, I just wanted everybody to know! I do not like people who take advantage of others just because they are new!

BTW- Thanks for letting me know. Hopefully you are right?

THANKS,
JET
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08-22-2008 10:14 PM  12 years ago
heliraptor10

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Hopefully you are right?

Meaning you'd take a good person being down and out so you can get your stuff

over

Being conned by a bad person,
and you are the one that suffers.

Not trying to be rude,
just sorting out the logic.

Actually I am sure you didn't mean it like that,
but I'm bored and I couldn't help but point it out.
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08-22-2008 10:26 PM  12 years ago
Ray Fernandez

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I am one other who made a deal with Ken for some fabrication of scale landing gears, which I have yet to receive. I have tried emailing him. leavig PMs and no response had been received. I do understand the comlexity of a death in the family as I have had my share, however, as Brent mentioned, a little courtesy of a return email would be a welcome sign for those who are on the "waiting" list.Ray Fernandez - GUAM
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08-22-2008 10:28 PM  12 years ago
jet ranger 1

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Hey Heliraptor10,

Well, you tell me? How am I supposed know? Put yourself in my shoes.

1) Did not know anything about any death.

2) He never answered emails.

3) Paid for something in advance.

4) Never got what I ordered.

And if you read my response to the other gentleman, you should see that I give my deepest condolances to his family!
So you tell me, I would like to know how is that choosing over someones tragedy and a piece of tubing? Just so you know, I would never choose a *$%# product over someones tragedy!

Thanks for your reply,
Jet
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08-22-2008 10:34 PM  12 years ago
heliraptor10

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I would be upset too.

I was just sorting out your logic.

I did not mean to offend,
though I do so quite often without intending to,
I guess I should have learned by now.

Goblin! where have you been all my life?
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08-22-2008 10:39 PM  12 years ago
jet ranger 1

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upset?
Hey helirapter10,

NO PROBLEM, NO UPSET HERE.

Thank you anyway for the reply. Sometimes I do not come off the right way either? THANKS,

JET
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08-22-2008 10:46 PM  12 years ago
AltecLansing

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When I asked him to make my landing gear, he had just lost his job. I did not press him very hard about it at the time. Then he had family issues, so I waited even longer. Then after a while, he said he would mail them. Then he said he mailed them. I waited and they didn't come. I contacted him again. Finally, I told him I understand he has problems in his life, but he we made a business deal and it was time to finish that deal or to refund my money. He sent them out then.

So, how long should you wait for a deal to be done when the seller is having personal problems? I waited a few months. In my opinion that was too long. Personal problems or not, other people's lives still go on. The buy and sell items and if they deal with a person who came down with major personal problems, they still want their deal finished. Most people are understanding and will give extra time for personal problems, but there has to be a time to say that you waited long enough, its time to finish the deal.

I do feel for his personal problems and wish him well. But I do believe he needs to follow through on the promises he made.
Man, I miss the eighties.
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08-22-2008 11:24 PM  12 years ago
jet ranger 1

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Hey AlltechLansing,

Couldn't agree more..

Thanks for the reply.
JET
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08-22-2008 11:26 PM  12 years ago
jet ranger 1

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OOps!
Sorry I messed up your call sign there "AltecLansing".
May all your ups and downs be between 2 sheets!
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08-22-2008 11:32 PM  12 years ago
jet ranger 1

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Hey Doorman,

Thanks for the heads up on the situation. I know if I lost my son, I would be messed up too. I will just have to wait and see now? Hope
for the best!

JET
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08-22-2008 11:49 PM  12 years ago
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What does a family death have to do with stealing a flyers money ?
The meatball should have told you he was dealing with troubled times because his son let his mind be consumed by drugs and not accepted your money .
I don't blame you for being pisst off , the guy should come clean !!!
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08-23-2008 12:38 AM  12 years ago
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Am I the only one feels this way:

I would bet he probably didn't loose his son but it is just an excuse to rip people off?

I mean look at the facts, how convient it was for his son to die while he owed all this money and product and then for him to lie and tell people stuff was shipped when it wasn't, Well, that proves he is a lier right there so how do we know he's not lying about his son?
If he has already shown he is a lier in one aspect of his dealing with others, why not here?
Frankly, I don't belive him. This Reeks of "Johnny fairplay"

And even if his son did die, that doesn't give him the right to be a thief and ignore for Months at a time the people he owes money or product to.
I can understand needing a week or two to deal with making the necessary arangments, but several months??

The guy is a con man, you need to get the police involved before it is too late.
Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!
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08-23-2008 12:44 AM  12 years ago
jet ranger 1

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Hey CJAMES,

I agree Totally!

THANKS!

JET
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