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08-19-2008 02:50 PM  12 years ago
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TONYVAL

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Tiger Fuel Tank
Had a nice day of flying on Sunday, but noticed the tank on my tiger leaks by one of the little nipples that hold it into the rubber grommets

So I go to order one online, the stock tiger tank (which was 9.99) is discontinued, replaced by a 13.99 tanks that also requires a four piece grommet set that costs 11.99

$26 for a replacement tank that was once $10 seems a little steep to me. Is there another tank that fits the tiger 50?

The raptor tank "almost" does, the nipples are too close together, so it does not seat properly in the frame

Thanks!
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08-19-2008 03:01 PM  12 years ago
MartyH

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Hi Tony,

I just ran into the same thing two weeks ago. The Tiger tank is discontinued and the Pantera tank is the replacement. I spoke with John about it and there isn't much way around it other than the $40 it'll take to fix it the first time around. I understand why he is doing this, and I even agree with it from a business standpoint. I just don't like being the victim of consolidating the inventory. You will need the Pantera tank, the Pantera grommets plus like $11 shipping. Bill came through for me with a used tank. Had he not, I have to admit I would have scrapped the Tiger. I'm just not willing to put much money into THAT heli. I have too many other 50 size helis I can move the gear over to. $40 to replace a fueltank on a $200 kit didnt make sense to me. Perhaps someone has recently killed their Tiger and you too will find a used tank.
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08-19-2008 03:12 PM  12 years ago
Kjarman

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Mine also had the same issue...... but when I poped out the tank I noticed that the assembly was loosining up from vibration..... I monkey tighted the nuts out of it and it leaks NO MORE.... did you try that or is it the nipple it's self that's leaking???I sold another one to Terrafirma...... wife wants to know where the money's at!!!!
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08-19-2008 04:38 PM  12 years ago
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As Marty mentioned the soft US economy dictates I work smarter. Since the Pantera tank fits the Tiger perfectly via the addition of the Pantera mounting grommets, I decided to consolidate inventory. Marty is in manufacturing and understands perfectly my reasons, and frankly, I hate it but can't loose sight of the most important thing, i.e. coming out on the other side of this recession so we may continue to service our customers long term. Yes, in the short term it makes for some tough calls, and this was one of them.

Ultimately, I recognize these are decisions which aren't always making sense to my customers but I have to look out for the greater good and that, simply put, is survival. If you look around at the general economy, banking is down 40%, automobile sales are at a 15 year low, let's not even speak of housing and construction, which are in the toilet and may yet lead us into depression as people have trouble in many parts of the country with just meeting their mortgage obligations. Add to this the inflation brought on by rising energy costs, and of course sky high gasoline, which we feel every week and is breaking the back of many folks as they spend 60 dollars in the car that once took $35 to top off. Consequently, we have a situation where gas costs more than milk, which is also at all time high prices, and there's seemingly no end in sight.

This all means people are pulling in their horns with respect to discretionary spending, and frankly we're in this category. Is it the end of the world? No, of course not because business is cyclical and this too shall pass. In fact, we're even benefiting to some degree as some people reconsider spending 500-600 bucks for a 50-class helicopter and decide it makes more sense to spend a mere 300 bucks for a Pantera instead!

Nonetheless, the economic uncertainty means I have to watch costs and spending with an eagle eye, and sometimes it leads to situations like this one. I apologize to one and all but please realize we do offer a solution via the Pantera fuel tank, which quite frankly is a rather nice upgrade to the Tiger airframe. Upgrade? Sure, because along with ribbed sides, which withstand pressure from YS engines better, it also has a little more capacity, plus it features the Pantera's more secure mounting system and consequently, you're ending up with a better fuel tank as well.

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John Beech
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08-19-2008 05:29 PM  12 years ago
TONYVAL

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Very nice

I just bought a 600N pro kit for $430, so kind of to Marty's point, spending $40 on a tank for a $200 heli does not excite me. Plus, I could really use the $40 on gear for the 600N

I also come from a manufacturing/PD background, and am now in sales. My worst nightmare is telling a customer that we have to raise prices because of our own inefficiency, I just won't do it.

What I do is go back to R&D, PD, Purchasing to find a solution. Sometimes, we may even sell a product at very low or no margin just to maintain the existing healthy business we have with the same customer. Other times, we might offer them a slight variation of the product at the same price point as an alternative.

I do this because I understand they have choices, and there are other manufacturers who would be more than happy to take the business.

Thanks for the lesson on the economy, although I drive my 22 mpg/premium only vehicle 60 miles everyday(each way) to work, its nice to be reminded of how expensive gasoline has become, as well as everything else.

It looks like I'll have to buy the tank, but the purpose will likely be to sell the Tiger now, and use the money for something else
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08-19-2008 05:31 PM  12 years ago
TONYVAL

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Kjarman

Thanks for the reply

Its the actual mounting nipple (on the side of the tank) where its leaking, so I do need to replace the tank

I was hoping there might be another brand tank that would fit

Thanks again
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08-19-2008 06:21 PM  12 years ago
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One possibility is to repair the tank. I've used a clean soldering iron tip (pencil type, i.e 15-25W unit) and simply melted the parts back together thereby accomplishing a repair of a fuel tank before. I've even used very thin strips of a polyethelene butter lid as "solder" to aid in the repair. Works - doesn't cost anything either, and if you melt the hole solid for the pressure nipple, just drill it back out with a 1/16" bit, but make sure to clean the resulting swarf out of the tank before putting it back into service. Finally, test the tank by slipping fuel lines in place, submerging it and blowing gently to pressurize the unit and look for escaping air bubbles.
John Beech
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08-19-2008 06:48 PM  12 years ago
MartyH

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Swarf? John, stop using all these technical terms. I cant follow.
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08-19-2008 07:44 PM  12 years ago
TONYVAL

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I happened to find an online retailer who carries the original $9.99 tank, and charges $6.50 shipping

If anyone else needs to know where to get them, send me a PM

Sorry if I came across as a little brash there.

The Tiger 50 was my first 50, and I am always keeping an eye on my budget for "toys"

So when a post suggests that a replacement part that costs more than double the original is an upgrade, while at the same time explaining the poor state of the economy, and further suggesting that we spend $300 on a Pantera as a result of the economy, its almost an insult to me

Just my opinion. Again, I am in sales, so I don't like it when
somone tries to "sell" to me.

The soldering iron is a more sensible option. But the reality is, once I get the new tank, I will likely sell the airframe
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08-20-2008 11:07 PM  12 years ago
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Sorry it came across this way Tony, it certainly wasn't my intent to offend anyone, i.e. I was just trying to explain my thinking. Further to this, I guess I need to remember we never want to be reminded of the poor economy especially in light of the fact it's really hard to justify our model purchases when as most guys (me especially) we tend to rationalize them instead
John Beech
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08-21-2008 11:30 AM  12 years ago
TONYVAL

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It's OK John, no harm done

I just like to stick to the topic, and not get caught up in the "smoke & mirrors"

Was just looking for help in solving my issue

Some therapy should help with my other issues...
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