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08-18-2008 06:56 PM  12 years ago
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Jag72

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Logo 600 Vbar w/New Scorpion 630KV Motor...Gear stripping power..
Well....after a few flights on this new Scorpion 630KV motor I managed to strip a gear on the takeoff....it seems to make a bit more power than My Actro 24-3 powered setup ...but not all that much difference really..Bot setups are INSANELY fast and powerful...Almost SCARY fast..

It's still a bit too early to tell...Unfortunately you'll see that the heli strips out the main gear on the 1st climbout...This seems to be a great motor for the money though

Enjoy..

Logo 600 Vbar w/Scorpion 630Kv Vid

Anthony
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08-18-2008 07:03 PM  12 years ago
Ronald Thomas

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That's awesome power Jag How much is that motor?Team MikadoUSA 480XXTreme, 550SX, 600SX, 700XXTreme, 800XXTreme!!
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08-18-2008 07:05 PM  12 years ago
Jag72

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Motor...
The Scorpions are CHEAP...Only $170...

1/2 the cost of an Actro...and a little better performance
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08-18-2008 07:14 PM  12 years ago
TOSH

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You guys are just nuts. l love it.Flybars. Who needs `em.
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08-18-2008 09:50 PM  12 years ago
DTM

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I just stripped my Logo 600 gear on the second flight with the Hacker turbine motor. Logged 3300 Watts
Can anyone confirm that the counterbearing part will keep the gears from stripping?
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08-18-2008 10:04 PM  12 years ago
MrMel

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At least on scorpion (6mm shaft): Just run TIGHT gearmesh, meaning, absolutly no lash on high-spots, and miniamal backlash on low spots.

Yep, it will put some strain on the bearings, but this is only way until Mod 1.0 gears come out....
Gone fishing..or hunting..or something
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08-18-2008 10:48 PM  12 years ago
helicraze

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I like it a lot! How many RPM and what pitch? Any counterbearing?
Also what PN is that motor?
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08-18-2008 11:46 PM  12 years ago
abrajim

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jag72 what ESC are you using?, i have the 4035 with counterbearing and 18T pinion and a powerjazz, sofar no problem it looks like the PJ do like this motor. i am waiting for the 4025-630 to arrive so i can change my orbit 30-12HE on my other logo, it seems that the 4025 have the same power of the 30-12 and is 100gr less than the 4035. scorpion motors seems to be the next step because the cost and power. the 4025 is les than $120.Team Mikado, Team Edge blades
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08-19-2008 12:00 AM  12 years ago
OICU812

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The 4025 series have a 5mm shaft and therefore you can use your stock CB unit. I have a 630kv 4025 series on route to try, will report back with some data once I have it and have done some datalogs as well. These new Scorpions are looking to be a great motor for us Logo owners for certain. ...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...
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08-19-2008 12:38 AM  12 years ago
hoveroops

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Hey Jag , that's the 4025-630 yes ??

How much pitch is that pulling in that climb out vid ?

cheers
Jason.
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08-19-2008 01:11 AM  12 years ago
abrajim

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hoveroops i think is the 4035-630, in fact i am pretty sure. the 4025 have less power but 100gr less also.Team Mikado, Team Edge blades
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08-19-2008 01:18 AM  12 years ago
hoveroops

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Oh really , dam I was hoping it was the 4025 version .
I have the 4035-560 and I'm keen to try the 4025-630 as the kv would be better for pinions but I was wondering how the power would be compared to the 4035 ?
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08-19-2008 02:34 AM  12 years ago
abrajim

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well i will be trying the 4025 this week, i will try it this friday with some new outrage pack, i wil compare both and let you what i think, i will bring my camera and will have videos at the end of the week so people now of this motors because i can tell at this moment i am very surprise with the power for that price, the 4035 have noticeable more power than my orbit 30-12 but what i want it's a little bit longer fligth times and be on the safe side with the 0.7mod gear that we had by the moment. but it's really amazing this motors are crazy quality for the money you pay. if i was a begginer i can tell you that i would think that the scorpion it's more expensive than the orbit 30-12, i am very happy with it, now let's see how they last, and the new 130A ESC that seems to be a perfect power jazz rivalTeam Mikado, Team Edge blades
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08-19-2008 02:59 AM  12 years ago
helicraze

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Its great that they are coming out with good products and prices. I cannot see a reason why a powerjazz should cost $400 or a motor $300 or more!
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08-19-2008 05:01 AM  12 years ago
abrajim

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yes i now, i have 3 PJ because i have the wrong idea that it was a bullet proof controller, but i already kill one in fligth and they don't work with motors like the neus and the HE orbit, so if a 270$ do have a governor and seems to las as they motors for the 450 size i am pretty sure that scorpion would put kontronik and other brand in a hurry, for example kontronik would have to work out they problems with the 400$ jive that shuts down for a usesless software that really protect the ESC because you will have it in a box afraid of using it. (i have an jive 80 LV in a box now because i am afraid that it cuts without warning in my trex 500)Team Mikado, Team Edge blades
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08-19-2008 05:27 AM  12 years ago
hoveroops

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I have the 4035-630 on it's way to try out .
When it get's here I'll yank out the 560 and see how it goes .
At the moment I'm only flying for 4 minutes hard as I can with no bog really to mention and that is being not rough on the pitch but not letting that torque go to waste shall we say .

I'm currently using a 18 tooth and have approx HS of 2150 under moderate load in flight .
I think the 630 and say a 17 tooth pinion and see where that put's me .
Motor should be here tommorow.
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08-19-2008 05:28 AM  12 years ago
mannyh

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When someone gets a 4025 630kv motor could you please post whether the shaft is long enough to go through the counterbearing please and thank you!!!remember when a collective machine was hitech stuff?
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08-19-2008 06:57 AM  12 years ago
MrMel

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Considering that I replaced my Orbit 30-12HE with the 4035-560kv and got more power, heavier machine, but SAME runtime, I say dont worry about 100 grams....Gone fishing..or hunting..or something
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08-19-2008 08:28 AM  12 years ago
OICU812

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yes what mannyh is asking, I to would love to know if the shaft length from motor base to tip end of shaft is at least 31mm?, if it is then no CB stub would be required and a nice drop in application for sure. If it is shorter then we'll give Scorpion the bug to get em abit longer ...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...
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08-19-2008 02:19 PM  12 years ago
Jag72

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Answers...Here you go...
1st of all ...the Motor in that Video is the Scorpion 4035-630Kv

I am running a 17t pinion...with a jazz 55 w/heatsink and I haven't had any Thermal issues just yet..

The jazz is running at 75% which gives me about 2350rpms....I have the pitch dialed in at about 14 degrees right now and ZERO bogging..

I replaced the main gear last night and put a full 5 minute SMACK down flight on that heli this morning and not only did it run perfectly but the damn thing is INSANELY powerful...It is noticeably more powerful than my Actro 24-3 powered logo 600...

From what I have heard the 4025 series 740KV motor is a knock off of the Actro 24-3 and gives about the same performance. I think either motor would be a GREAT choice for this machine...but if you want unbelievable power then get the 4035/630kv

As for the output shaft length on the 630kv...the output shaft is exactly long enough to reach the bottom of the pinion when installed in the heli...meaning...if you want to run a counterbearing assembly you'll have to cut some of the motors output shaft off to make it work(need extra piece to go through CB assembly)..if the output shaft was 10mm longer it would be perfect....I decided not to do it though...

I set my mesh a bit tighter this time and didn't strip out the main gear...and I did Several full power climbouts...

Like MrMel said..just set the mesh with ZERO lash....It seems to be the key to making the gears hold up.

After a 5 minute flight this morning the motor was only 125degrees and the Jazz was about the same...Pack was ice cold..

Ambient temp here is 65degrees today though...

I tried to bog this machine and it just wasn't possible...Even with 14 degrees of pitch...

For the money the Scorpion 630kv seems like a PERFECT choice...

I will post some more video of this heli in action very shortly..

BTW guys....the Motor is not the only reason why this heli performs so well...the REAL key element here is GOOD packs...I am flying a 10s 4200mah Outrage setup in this heli...this motor is a very demanding motor so if you are not running good packs like the desires or Outrages I would expect quite a drop in performance..

I HIGHLY recommend using Outrage packs with this power combo..

Anthony
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