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08-21-2008 12:36 AM  12 years ago
Mutt

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one site you will get one story the other site you will get another story. I cant beleive there is another finless thread again.
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08-21-2008 12:48 AM  12 years ago
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from what I recall the problems with the videos and RR were related to the "what else" was in the video other than the topic being covered. ie:advertisements.

its a business...in a nut shell.
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08-21-2008 02:11 AM  12 years ago
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If you are already learning on the heli be patience and keep practicing on it, unless you have money to burn. Also think about a used Trex 450 and a sim.

Bob gives a lot, a lot more then me and most people to the RC Heli community. Is he fallible, sure he has the human gene. Is he knowledgeable about Heli’s, I think so and so are a lot of others on here. If I ask a question to someone I think is knowledgeable about heli’s I would tend to believe what they say until proven other wise. I don’t think anybody should try to take what Bob gives to the community away from him. He does a good service for us heli addicts, and like many others that also give a lot to the RC community he gets to reap some rewards.

Now could most of use learn on our own? Good luck with that, not that it can’t be done but damn it’s the slow and expensive road. Give me the quick and cheap. Besides if you have read anything, watched anything or talk to someone you have been helped.

Video, books, articles, magazine, radio, tv, Web forums all ways of seeking help so we don’t need to re-invent the wheel. Bob gives a lot of help but there are people on this forum that answer countless questions day in day out and the amount of time put in to help trouble-shoot problems is probably staggering.

Just want to thank you for the help. It’s been a quick and easy road.
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08-21-2008 09:37 AM  12 years ago
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Your right ground.

But he helps buy doing things that NOBODY else does.

He does the full build. and i mean the FULL. Not saying hes the best, but he certainly is the best at making informational videos.
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08-25-2008 02:32 AM  12 years ago
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I wasn't trying to take anything away from BOB at all,what he does I guess could be considered good,I really dont know I've never watched one of the vids all the way through.I've been at this basically on my own,and all of my helis fly WAY better than I can pilot them,and one of the FEW times I did get to fly with some experienced pilots,I let them test my helis and they were VERY impressed that I built and set them up completely on my own(my MT can hover hands off for atleast 3-5 seconds)I'm not taking ANY credit for this,its through research ,RR and trial and error(90% RR).MY point is this,dont use the vids as the be all end all heli bible.Dont be content to copy settings and go fly,if BOB says "when setting up a 401 you dont use ch4 endpoints to stop rudder servo binding/adjust travel",dont just say OK,copy the setting and off you go,ask "why don't the endpoints affect travel when using a gyro?".Learn every function on your radio,what adjusting the parameters do,and how these changes affect the heli.Because even though BOB may be knowledgeable,his settings and way of doing things may be completely wrong for YOUR flying style and experience.If you take the time to learn what every adjustment does and why it does it,and how it affects the heli,you can REALLY fine tune your heli for YOU.then when its so tuned in that you dont even need to worry about anything you can relax and fly and,take your flying to the next level,instead of punching in generic blanket settings that may or may not work for everyones style/levelCompass helis Support Team
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08-25-2008 02:57 AM  12 years ago
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If you learn to set up your own helis you will never be in that position.those vids also make for a whole group of stupid pilots as noone knows whats going on with their helis,if you learn the how and why you will never need a vid,and rarely will you need a manual,its not nuclear physics,its a model helicopter
If I only had a nickel for each time I heard or read a comment like this...well, you know the rest.

Setting up a heli is not nuclear physics, agreed. It is, however, the single most important part of owning a heli. You would be astonished to see the absolute train wrecks I have witnessed with respect to adjustments out in the field. And these are the very same poeple that are claiming "it's not nuclear physics, it's a model helicopter".

If this gentleman's videos can be used as a tool in ones tool box to "help" them learn and contiue to grow as a builder and flyer, I say let it be. There is just too much negative karma being tossed around unnecessarily with respect to these videos.

Keep flipping the sticks,
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08-25-2008 03:09 AM  12 years ago
leftyatm

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With Bob and what he has done has helped me significantly in my journey into this hobby. I love it and it is so fun and (expensive) but I know without him 1) I wouldn't be where I am today and 2) well I pry wouldn't be in this hobby. He has helped with ideas, builds and set-ups.
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08-25-2008 03:24 AM  12 years ago
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I think you guys are missing my point,the vids are fine for a starting point,just take things to the next step so you can be self sufficient.I'm not trying to say they are bad or wrong or have any negativity toward BOB.there's nothing wrong at all with getting a start,or getting some ideas,but if you need to go back to a video to make adjustments to your heli,why?if you learn the fundamentals BEHIND it,you wont need anything you'll KNOW what to do.and what happens if BOB stops making vids,then what?Compass helis Support Team
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08-25-2008 04:35 AM  12 years ago
leftyatm

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Well, see, I have used his videos in the beginning for set-ups. So when issues arise, now that I have had a resource before and did a hands on build myself, that build has been stored in muscle memory as well as mentally. So now when I upgrade, update and maintain, I have been there and done that and no longer need to use his videos. They are great for starting out and helping you. I do agree that you shouldn't solely rely on his videos because each set-up is different. He only helps in a large scale for generic set-ups.
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08-25-2008 04:50 AM  12 years ago
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Very good points so far

I don't think BOB gets paid much if anything he may get some free heli's and some publicity.

The videos he produces are very very helpful and even if the heli you have isn't covered the vid's they can still help you.

I built a 600N Super Pro for a friend after I reviewed his vids
and although I didn't agree with everything he does in them I was able to build a flawless heli for my buddy.

I prefer Century so for me to step outside my comfort zone I got to say Finless made that possible.

Don't be to hard on BOB not many people help these days
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08-25-2008 05:12 PM  12 years ago
leftyatm

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Agreed. Because you gotta remember how much he helps fuel this economy. If it weren't for him newbies like myself would have probably been to overwhelmed to jump in feet first and stay in the hobby. Since he has made his videos it has made it easier and something to look forward to. Just think how many helis he has sold and how much it has grown because of him. He does get free helis or at least free parts but for the time and effort he puts in, that is only fair. If I had the resources he did I wouldn't hesitate to fill his spot
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08-25-2008 07:24 PM  12 years ago
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If you are going at this hobby by yourself without ANY help other than forums, Bob's vids are an invaluable resource that WILL take you from knowing nothing to being able to actually build, setup and fly your heli!

Fender, you seem to imply (correct me if I'm wrong), that Bob's vids are only good as a starting point and after watching them you don't understand the WHY.....that is so not true. You admit you haven't watched ANY of them all the way through so how could you even make that statement? His vids not only show you how to set up your heli, but he gives you the reasons behind it. His curves 101 vid as an example specifially tell you that you need to use a pitch gauge to get YOUR settings....he says his are only an example and he goes into detail explanation of curves.

Bob's vids are the single reason that a LOT of newcomers have been able to get into this hobby successfully.

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08-25-2008 07:31 PM  12 years ago
leftyatm

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Well said Skarn. That is sort of the abouts of what I was trying to convey but you said it much simpler and more effective than I could... Thumbs up to you
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08-25-2008 08:32 PM  12 years ago
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Well said Skarn! I don't get people that make statements like that having never watched the videos....
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08-26-2008 12:06 AM  12 years ago
fenderstrat

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the reason I made those statements is because AS I SAID EARLIER,I have met and or spoke to people through PM/e-mail,and when I asked them WHY they had something set up a particualar way,their answer was "I dont KNOW,thats the way BOB did it in the video",and I'll give you a SPECIFIC example

I was helping a guy out and he told me he was afraid to do a piro because the heli spun so fast that he could not see it or control it.So I asked him what his ATV/EPA was set to,which his answer was "which setting is that?""I didn't know you could control the speed of the heli spin"so I told him what menu to look at.His atv was set to max or 140,and i asked why he had it set so high,and his answer was"because thats how BOB did it into the video",so then I explained that when using certain HH gyros ATV/EPA on ch4 control the piro rate,and we adjusted it to his taste

I'll give you another example,this was through PM's.I guy had a MT with a 401 on it.He said no matter how he adjusted it it would drift to the left in a hover.I asked him if he had done a CORRECT RATE MODE SET UP.he said "no I set it up like in BOBs video",well BOBs video apparently tells people to center the pitch slider set the arm to 90deg and go fly.THIS DOES NOT WORK FOR EVERY HELI.Once I told him how to do a PROPER 401 set up,the tail held like a rock

and the reason I have not watched a video all the way through is because I DONT WANT to,I want to learn every nut and bolt on the heli myself,and I want to learn how to set up gyro's and such the proper way on my own,so I dont need help,I know what to do from my own experience.If you ask anyone about me you will be told I GO OUT OF MY WAY to help newbies in this hobby,I have helped DOZENS if not more get started and helped them learn the ropes of set up,lots of people learned to fly before BOBs vids,and lots of people learn now without them,while they are nice they are not necessary at all .there is MORE than enough helpful people and info on this site alone.ONCE again I AM NOT PUTTING BOBS VIDS DOWN or TAKING ANYTHING FROM HIM,but there are people with just as much knowledge if not more right here
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08-26-2008 12:13 AM  12 years ago
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ONCE again I AM NOT PUTTING BOBS VIDS DOWN or TAKING ANYTHING FROM HIM,but there are people with just as much knowledge if not more right here
Bull...you have done nothing but knock down his vids. You had better re-read your own words/posts.

Time to move on. This thread is doing absolutely nothing positive for the hobby...

Respectfully,
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08-26-2008 01:41 AM  12 years ago
fenderstrat

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Bull...you have done nothing but knock down his vids. You had better re-read your own words/posts.
where did I say the vids were bad, unuseful,wrong or otherwise put them down?I did not ever. For the 3rd or 4th time,I have said they are a good starting point,but should not be used as the "bible".I said that PEOPLE WERE USING THEM WRONG,by not following up and getting the theory behind the info.I never said that the actual videos were bad,incorrect,or not useful.ONCE AGAIN I am saying that people are not using the info in the proper way.BOB's intentions are there,he cant control what people do with the videos
the vids are fine for a starting point,just take things to the next step so you can be self sufficient.I'm not trying to say they are bad or wrong or have any negativity toward BOB
if you guys want to worship BOB thats great,but you are acting like he's some magical super heli god,who has secrect knowledge and tricks,everything he says is gold,and without him the hobby would be in trouble because noone would be able to get started properly.sorry I just dont feel that way,he's only a man(yes he's VERY knowledgeable,a great pilot, and his videos are in the right spirit)but there's NOTHING,NOTHING AT ALL in his vids that cant be found here or on any other heli site,or by reading the manual for that matter.Where do you think he gets HIS info from?It comes to him from up above?No he reads the manual and does trial and error

I've said my piece,this will be my last post on this thread,Happy Flying all......FENDER
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08-26-2008 05:14 AM  12 years ago
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You are right there are just as smart enthusiasts here at Runryder. The difference is although they are always willing to lend a typing finger to offer their input, noone really dedicates a large amount of the time, money and effort into shooting videos. I read in a post one day when he was building either the 700, or 600, can't remember that he wanted to get it up and flying that weekend for a heli meet. But he couldn't because he had to film it for the build vids section. So there he could have just said screw helping everyone out so I can get this heli together now and fly but no, He missed flying at that important meet that weekend to take about 2 weeks to film and build to help everyone out. That takes dedication. I know when I get a new heli, that sucker is built within 2 days. I don't eat sleep, or anything else for that matter until I'm done building. I gotta have it done right then and there!
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08-26-2008 05:44 AM  12 years ago
Smacka

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I've said my piece,this will be my last post on this thread
...and there in lies the problem. Everyone heard you the first five times you spouted off. Let it go already! I want useful content about the hobby, not you defending your position...over, and over, and over and over again.

Time to move on...

Geez...
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08-26-2008 05:47 AM  12 years ago
leftyatm

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You need to relax man. This is a forum about communicating and working with others. If you don't want to read it, then don't. You aren't the topic creator nor are you the only one speaking in this thread. SO MAYBE I WASN'T SPEAKING TO YOU. People like you with those comments puts a bad rep to this hobby. Shame on you.
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