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08-18-2008 08:34 AM  12 years ago
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jrett

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What to do??
As some of you know I've purchased an HBK2 a while back and crashed it on my first flight because the tail belt came off.

I've sinse read up on it on these forums and called it a piece of ship and been generally unhappy with the purchase. I've spent money to replace the broken/bent parts, found a pretty good fix for the tail belt, replace the stock gyro with a telebee HH gyro and rebuilt it.

Well, I finally took it out this weekend and had some success with it. The helicopter flies like all the parts are loose and the electronics have poor connections. I am very unsatisfied with my junky hbk2. (I said "My" junky hbk2, so don't get all defensive that I'm flaming anyone elses helicopter, I'm flaming my own). I also flew my TRex which flew like butter... Smooth and creamy.

So, after spending full price for an rtf heli, which will not fly well until I replace all the electronics, plus the cost of replacing the crashed components, I think it would have been cheaper to just start with a more expensive kit, such as I did with my very smooth trex.

Anyway, the reason I'm posting here is because I've decided that if I keep this HBK2, I will only end up spending more money on it trying to get it to fly well, which will probably never happen at a practical level of investment. So have decided to get rid of it.

95% of me wants to find some glorious way to end this helicopters commision, and I would appreciate some suggestions. One of my ideas was to fasten an M80 to it and take it up for its final flight, and have a friend video tape it going out with a bang. However, I have no access to any M80. I would like some other suggestions.

5% of me thinks it may be worth it to sell this to someone on these forums, however, I don't know if $200 is worth the trouble of packaging it up and taking it to a post office. (Yeah, I'm that lazy).

I'm torn. I don't see how selling this could bring anyone any happiness, but I'm thinking a cool video of it flying and blowing up, or some other clever means of demise, would bring entertainment to many viewers.

I am glad that the majority of the people here who have purchased this helicopter are happy with it. My experience and plans with my own should not take away any ones own enjoyment of their helicopters.

Happy flying, and please post some ideas/suggestions.
Thanks.
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08-18-2008 11:30 AM  12 years ago
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08-18-2008 09:33 PM  12 years ago
jrett

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I didn't say I wanted $200 for a crashed heli.
I said I rebuilt it and flew it and it flies like it's on crack. It twiches (probably radio glitch and or loose tollerance head components), it wags, (cheap 3rd party hh gyro, which is probably not designed for a digital servo). It is in fine flying condition currently, it just doesn't fly well. It almost has a mind of its own. I have to replace nearly everything to make it fly well.

I normally like to do nice things for people, but I can't in good concience give this heli to someone starting out as I'd fear that it would turn them off on the hobby.

I think I would feel that it is money well spent if I video taped a really cool ending for it though.

On the other hand I could risk spending more money on it. It is almost good.
I'd have to get a new reciever for it so I can use my radio. $100.
I'd have to get 4 good servos. (1 @ futaba S3154 Digital Micro HT/HS. 3 @ futaba S3114 Micro HT) $80
I'd have to get a good gyro (Futaba GY240) $130

That's basically another $300. Then I hear that I'll have to replace the motor and speed control as those always fail. I'll probably want to replace those anyway. And to tighten up the flight characteristics even more, I'd probably need to get upgraded head and tail components.

Maybe I'm spoiled by my other helicopters which fly nicely.
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08-18-2008 09:40 PM  12 years ago
jrett

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I reread your post... I guess you didn't mean $200 for a crashed heli either. I see that you meant $200 for a crashed and repaired heli.

Well, I threw the $200 figure out there because that is roughly what it costs retail. Forgive my lack of precision on the price. But that also goes to my point. $100 certainly isn't worth me going to all the trouble of packaging and shipping it, also considering the $$$ I've already put into it.

And I am very pleased to hear that you can get bigger than m80's. Are you offering to send me one? I'm sure that there are some stiff laws against that... Or are you bragging?

Anyway, I feel like this helicopter is a money pit. Time to cut bait.
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08-18-2008 11:09 PM  12 years ago
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08-19-2008 12:24 AM  12 years ago
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here's mine, stock plastic head(with over 500 flights) stock tail, crappy e-flite servos, and an even crappier g90 gyro,the only reason I crashed at the end it because the guy who was filming had his kid there and he thought it would be funny to hit me with rocks while I was flying,the first few I ignored,but the one that hit me dead square in my head,caused me to turn to say something and that was all she wrote.no I'm not all defensive that you hate your HBK,thats fine,you can hate anything you like,but dont blame it on the heli,its all in the set up,and the one in this vid has LOW end electronics and a stock head,tail,frame
edit,if you look the blades aren't even tracked right
if you are going to blow it up ,do it right,use at least a quarter stick

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08-19-2008 12:33 AM  12 years ago
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oh yeah it also cracks me up when people compare the HBK which is,300 size, 200 bucks with a radio and elec to a Trex(450 size) which is all metal and CF,and is around 700-800 with good electronics,thats like saying your dodge neon doesn't drive as good as your BMW,DUHCompass helis Support Team
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08-19-2008 12:50 AM  12 years ago
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08-19-2008 01:45 AM  12 years ago
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No way man, the King2 is SO much easier to work on and setup than a Rex450 that it is not even funny. Sure you don't have the precision o a machine that costs 5 times as much but then again you have a machine that will fly with the tracking 1" out of whack. Sure they are cheaper helis but they are also way simpler, cheaper to fix and downright great for what they are. jrett is just trying to wind us up once again by spouting that his king is a POS. Well jrett that tells me more about you than it does a heli that we already know about. You have ZERO skills! You have TOTALLY unreasonable expectations. And last but not least, you are a troll. So go find a new hobby and please stop bashing a heli that you have been bashing for months now.- Chris

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08-19-2008 02:04 AM  12 years ago
tryan02

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the King is simpler but cheaper quality you know like watching the belt idler pulleys so the belt stays on #1 gripe of King2 a spray oil fixes that. The tailslider is a little strange its a bit tailheavy. Just little tings you need to work out. But your right it will fly with the poorest of setups. If you seen my winter vid I drop down and look at the tracking and it was an inch off I had just set it up perfect indoors and went directly outside in the cold and the blades completely changed to about an inch off. Didnt look like it bothered it much.

Ya know some people just need to go get a TREX.
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08-19-2008 05:14 AM  12 years ago
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Wow TJinGuy, you're such a sweet talker. You're making be blush.
I just don't get how my dissliking my helicopter can get you all upset like a thirdgrader defending his video game console.

I dissagree. I think the trex is simpler to work on simply because it's bigger. Other than that, its pretty much the same, except for the quality of the components, so the hbk2 could not possibly be any easier to work on, unless you're three inches tall.

And when all is said and one, the TRex costs maybe 2 times as much, but, and this is my favorite part, you KNOW that you are getting a well made helicopter. You don't have to find out the hard way what needs to be fixed.

The King is POS. What, are you going to go crying to mommy? I'm not here to wind anyone up. You wind yourself up. I'm calling it that because it is my right. Go ahead and come on this thread and whine and snivell, but don't attack Me. I didn't attack you. I attacked my POS helicopter. Get over it little boy. (Yeah, I'm defensive now)

I have 0 skills? Are you judging my skills simply because I prefer a finer helicopter? A helicopter that I don't need to spend so much time on to make it worth flying? Or because I won't settle for a product which doesn't perform as advertised? In that case, I have a nice TV to sell to you. It works great and it's cheap. So when you get it and it doesn't work, you should just adjust it, right? I can't believe you consider expecting a product to work as advertise to be TOTALLY unreasonable. You need to learn some manners. And mind your own business. I think you're a troll coming on my thread and attacking me. You're a jerk.

How would you like it if I came over to your work and knocked the french fry basket out of your hand and told you that you don't have any skills?

And last, but not least, I will continue to bash my helicopter for as long as it pisses me off. If you don't like it, then don't read it.

(Fender...)If you want a more realistic car analogy, then the Dodge Neon would have to suffer a machanical failure which causes a crash where the vehicle looses 50% of its value due to damage.
By the way, assuming that your name here is based on the Fender Stratocaster, I have to assume that you play? Is it just a hobby or is there anything that I may have heard? I'm not asking to be rude, I'm asking because we seem to also share an interest in music.

Anyway, I was under the impresson that an m80 was a quarter stick of dynamite. Perhaps I'm wrong, but when I was a teenager we had a couple of them, or at least I thought that's what they were as they did considerable damage. For example, lighting one on the street and putting a 55 gallon garbage can over it would blow the garbage can 15-25 feet or so into the air, and it would be pretty trashed. Whatever that is, is what I'd like to tie to my helicopter. That would also be the largest explosive that I would be comfortable using in a public area. It would be cool though. I think. heeheh
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08-19-2008 06:16 AM  12 years ago
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I work on different helicopters before, not good at flying them. Easiest heli to work on is BladeCP! Then HBK2, Blade 400 then Trex 450.

bladecp slap it together and it will fly, tracking tolerance is like 2 full turns before the blades split, no tail belt to worry about or tail pitch or tail servo, motor fail just replace the motor and fly some more. Doesn't fly as good as HBK2 or Trex but a lot easier to work on.
ಠ_ಠ HBK2 built with inexpensive parts! ٩๏̯͡๏)۶ Gaui425
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08-19-2008 06:25 AM  12 years ago
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08-19-2008 09:02 AM  12 years ago
jrett

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08-19-2008 01:04 PM  12 years ago
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jrett, see my video below...stock plastic head, stock tail, stock blades, E-sky 3900 motor, Telebee gyro. Seems to fly fine to me. You have to have some skills to fly helis. Perhaps, you should stick to flying planks .

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You seem to speak much about your T-rex 450. Do you have any video evidence of you flying your T-Rex?
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08-19-2008 02:15 PM  12 years ago
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08-19-2008 05:38 PM  12 years ago
jrett

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racin06

I'm not saying that the hbk2 doesn't fly, nor am I claiming to be anything special when it comes to flying. However, I do just fine thanks and my skills are progressing along just fine. Oh, and I don't fly planks. I'm simply saying that after all the bullcrap of having a POS heli and repairing it so that it seems done, it still doesn't fly nearly as nicely as a more expensive helicopter. It is clear in this hobby that you get what you pay for.

Look at you, coming on this board and trying to insult me. Be carefull or your mother and I will come down stairs and put you in a timeout.

As to whether I have video, not yet. If/when I do, it will not be taken for the purpose of "Evidence".

If you want to measure tools, why don't you start another thread. This thread is about me finding something to do with my garbage.
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08-19-2008 05:42 PM  12 years ago
jrett

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racin06,
Nice flying there by the way. That's pretty good.

I'm doing nose in hovering, and just getting started with forward flight. When I do that with my hbk2, it's all over the place. When I do it with my other helis (rex/kinetic 50) its much more predictable.
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08-19-2008 06:27 PM  12 years ago
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08-20-2008 01:14 AM  12 years ago
jrett

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I completely disagree with your statement that the king is the king of micros. I'm not going to compare a bunch of micro helis, but of the two micros that I own, I say the trex450 beats the crap out of the hbk2. It has a much better combination of price/performance. And if you think otherwise, then you need to try flying both.

You can't even put the word quality in the same sentance with a description of the HBK2, that's as wrong as calling it an RTF.

And thanks for such an enthusiastic approach to pointing out that it's a micro. However, we're not all kids here, so you don't have to be a cheerleader about it. Besides, I think we all realize that it's a micro. On the other hand, maybe you were just trying to show off your technical side by using the size tags. Bravo.
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