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08-21-2008 02:44 PM  12 years ago
Eury

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Heck, I may get one for my wife.
No one's buying that line, it's the same way everything I've purchased since my son was born is for him, there's not a lot of 6mo olds that have a Vibe and a Spectra, but my kid does, I'm just the one who plays with them.

I think it's a cool little heli, but the proprietary batteries are a deal breaker. Make it so I can source batteries from anywhere, then I'll give it some thought.
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08-21-2008 02:53 PM  12 years ago
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The problem with that Eury is the batteries have thermal sensors on it that is registered with the sensor in the main control unit. Without those the heli will not see a battery. I think they know this is somewhat of a deal breaker so look for the batteries to be priced right!! This really is a awesome heli!! Might want to give it a chance like Terry said!
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08-21-2008 02:57 PM  12 years ago
RCHeliJim

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My vote would be to give it a chance. I have a feeling that after christmas there will be even more noobs in the hobby than ever before. Heck, I may get one for my wife
Terry, I have been thinking the same thing She saw pics of it and said its "cute" so I will give her a shot at one, hehe.


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08-24-2008 05:40 AM  12 years ago
Juggernaut

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I know TT hit the nail on the head with the "Innovator"

I'm reading all this garbage and negative remarks from the stick bangers

I wish the Innovator was around when I stated, to learn.
My first year my nick name was crash, yes I crashed more than spent in the air, then it took time to fix and get it right, sometimes not always right, resulting in another crash.
My first heli was a Honey Bee, lasted all but 2 weeks.
Then I got a CX, now a rapy 30 and a Mini-Titan.
Been flying for 18 months, yes I still crash, not so often, I'm more careful now. My wife's laid off, and can't afford to crash.
Yes I know if you can't afford the hobby get out. But I enjoy the challenge, and spend more hours on the sim, than actual flying.
I can hold a steady tail in hover, and started nose in 2 months ago, but I'm careful not to crash and keep a good height 30- 40 ft.
The CX is great to help teach me FF and nose in orientation, but it's not the same as the Raptor.

I wish the Innovator was around when I started.
Frankly all you stick bangers with 50 to 90 should be thankful.
This new product will give many new heli pilots the chance to get into his hobby, easier, cheaper (less crashes), less frustration, better feeling of accomplishment.
After time they will become better proficient fliers, who will also want to upgrade to bigger, better, faster model. They will be looking for new and used heli's. With more fliers, more demand, cheaper prices.
With this I don't see why you will have to pay a $hit load to buddy box, when you are ready to try something new. at my club the owner / partner charges $80 an hour, and spends half the time smoking.

TT pulled off a fantastic feat with this new heli, now the beginner can walk into a LHS and walk out with a heli he / she can learn on, and as their skills improve, advance to the next level.

The well informed beginner, will exit the store with a Sim, and Innovator

NO heli is perfect out there, it you did you would only need one, not 2, 3 or 10.

Frankly, this heli is not 1 but 3 or 5, this gives the chance for the beginner to a stick to one heli, not having buy a CX, then a CP, then a 450, then 500 / 600 or a 30 / 50 as they progress.

I see this as a great chance for the beginner to intermediate to be a better flier, by software tuning and making it more aggressive.
The small heli's are inherently twitchy and frustrating to fly if you are new.

So all you so called experts (wan a be) , think about the little guy's and gal's just getting into this exciting hobby.

They Thunder Tiger did something wonderful for the entry level to intermediate fliers.


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08-24-2008 03:21 PM  12 years ago
TachyonDriver

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I'm not interested in a toy heli, no matter if they are PROGRAMABLE
The innovator is far more 3D capable than a Raptor 30, judging by the video.

If an object serves no practical purpose other than to entertain, then it's a toy My Raptor 30 is a toy, dangerous yes, but all it does is entertain me and the occasional spectator.

If I owned a main battle tank, it would only serve me as a toy - the miltary would not allow it to retain its warfighting capability. OK I could go shopping in it and carry passengers, but it's a toy. (Note - Challenger isn't allowed on the public road IIRC, but the old 16-ton Abbott self-propelled gun is )

We'll just have to see what the pricing structure is like...

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08-25-2008 02:22 AM  12 years ago
Betofazzo

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Tooo much plastic i mind good plastic i want to hit a wall with that thing i prefer a good NEW 50 electric or nitro...even a 30 size electric...Finally I have a Turbine heli.. :) Mobb Powercat !!
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08-25-2008 02:47 AM  12 years ago
AllThumbs

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even a 30 size electric
It's called the E550. And it flys very well
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08-25-2008 04:29 PM  12 years ago
Betofazzo

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OHH i forgot the E550Finally I have a Turbine heli.. :) Mobb Powercat !!
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08-25-2008 05:01 PM  12 years ago
RappyTappy

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Frankly all you stick bangers with 50 to 90 should be thankful.
Ooo, he called us stick bangers

:*(

..I'm telling... lol. Just try to keep the blood pressure down there
Still buyin' and flyin' then crashing and cryin'
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08-25-2008 05:11 PM  12 years ago
Eury

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With this I don't see why you will have to pay a $hit load to buddy box, when you are ready to try something new. at my club the owner / partner charges $80 an hour, and spends half the time smoking.
I'd be pissed too if I was taking it up the rear like that. Who pays to buddy box? Hell, I buddy box people on my own helis and don't even let them give me money for fuel. You need to find a new club.
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08-26-2008 08:45 PM  12 years ago
Juggernaut

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I'd be pissed too if I was taking it up the rear like that. Who pays to buddy box? Hell, I buddy box people on my own helis and don't even let them give me money for fuel. You need to find a new club.
I wish that was the case. but frankly, I guess it's a way to pay for fuel and parts. Plus, I do not think they want to take responsibility if a crash occurs, even if you agree to no fault.

Sorry If I offended the true heli hero's that offer help at no $.

As for another heli field, this is the only one for miles.
Guess I have to spend more time on the sim, but it's not the same as the real thing.

As for me, and other new be's, the Innovator, maybe what we have been waiting for. Many new be's will either get frustrated and quit, or keep on poring $, and keep trying, like myself.

I have a 30 and Mini-Titan, I prefer the MT, flies smother that he 30, and cheaper to fix. plus I can fly it at the local soccer field.

Eury, thanks for your support not of me, but other's who will need help


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08-28-2008 02:35 AM  12 years ago
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Have you seen Colin Bell fly the 3D version?, It is Sweet!, looks promising!!Blue skies, Light Winds!
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08-29-2008 09:29 AM  12 years ago
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For all those badmouthing the innovator. Have you guys ever heard of Ridemakerz? It brings the hobby of RC cars to the masses and it is a HUGE success. infact it's a franchise store now. allowing kids to completely customize their cars to their liking. Giving them the passion for building cars, without the cost or hassle. And bringing all that to the average kid young and old. I believe TT is trying to do something similar with the innovator. Lets face it, helis are complicated. An all in one no hassles plug and play solution for a relatively high performance heli is a a completely untouched market and in that sence IS very innovative. If they can expand their line of scale bodies and options, I think they may have something here. It is certainly a sound business move and if they market it right, they can make a LOT of money.

If I were TT, I would have done the same. Granted, I would NOT completely ignore the those of us who are more "in" to the hobby. That is where TT is making a mistake. We'll see what happens with this new TT 50. If it's more than just decals and a few upgaded head acessories, we may well see TT alive and well in the future.
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08-29-2008 01:51 PM  12 years ago
jal250r

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I know several people already that wnat one after they read about it. I just hope they figure out how to fly it"Feed the Need to 3D"
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08-29-2008 11:06 PM  12 years ago
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That's easy! They just push a button Little Spinning Bundle of Joy® DON'T DISS THE DINO!!
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09-10-2008 07:16 AM  12 years ago
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Can I upgrade the plastic gears in control box to metal gears or how about putting HiTec 65mg servos in it.
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09-10-2008 04:54 PM  12 years ago
jdubdub

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Thank you Thunder Tiger!
It's always amazing to me how people will bash a product that isn't even released yet, as though they had expert knowledge of all it's "problems" amd "poor design". First of all, not everyone wants to fly like a spastic. Some of us actually enjoy a realistic looking easy flying heli. I enjoy the high performance electrics as much as anyone ( I fly a t-rex 450 }, but there is also a time for a more relaxed style of flight. The MD 530 version is absolutely beautiful in flight as seen on the vids from the intro at the IRCHA last month. This bird looks to be super stable, but still challenging enough not to be boring. I don't see people bashing Hirobo's new Quark , which seems to be aimed at a similar pilot. The only thing that bothers me a little is the "id coded" battery pack .I'll have to wait for a full product review before making up my mind. If TT can bring this bird in at a fair price , I think it will be very successful. The fact that I can upgrade software,( I suspect you'll be able to download a full pitch/throttle/gyro gain paramater set for mild 3D right from the website without having to worry about setting these up individually. Talk about Plug and Play. I'm a fairly new pilot, and have had some really bad experiences with set ups on my t-rex done by the supposed "expert" at my LHS ( my 450 is still waiting for enough money to be fixed, a simple blade grip failure from a 6 foot hover indoors resulted in an almost total writeoff). So Kudos to TT for making a bird for "the rest of us".
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09-10-2008 11:00 PM  12 years ago
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Can I upgrade the plastic gears in control box to metal gears or how about putting HiTec 65mg servos in it.
The integrated servo unit is unique to the innovator, so you won't be able to swap out for traditional servos. I'm not sure if Thunder Tiger plans to offer a metal replacement set or not.

The plastic gears are extremely easy to change. We crashed one of the innovators at IRCHA and were able to have it up and running in about 20 mins. The gear change is extremely simple, and the auto-calibration allows the heli to fly exactly the same as it did before.

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09-12-2008 05:50 PM  12 years ago
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AUTO-CALIBRATION! NOw that is something that would excite me. So we are now talking smart heli. I was talking with one of the TT guys yesterday and he was trying to explain this process to me. If it works as well as they say it is. Look out TT is doing it again.

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09-12-2008 07:30 PM  12 years ago
CBell

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The auto-calibration works really well. If for whatever reason your model becomes out of trim, or you crash it, the heli reconfigures your pre-set (via USB/computer) end points and recenters the servos. Each time we re-calibrated a heli at IRCHA it flew perfectly. We had to use the same transmitter for all of the innovators because we only had one Mode 2 radio. The rest were on Mode 1.

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