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03-09-2008 04:52 PM  10 years agoPost 1
Mike0251

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Some birds want 0 deg at mid stick in normal cond. Some want 5 deg at mid stick in normal cond (based on instruction manual specs). If the bird is set up at 5 deg in normal at mid stick, and idle one or two at 0 (as specified in alot of manuals) this would make the bird tend to drop when changing conditions, albeit the headspeed increases but the pitch drops out at mid stick during the change. What is the better setup? Currently I have my birds at 0 deg in normal and have no fluctuations from idle one or two. Yes my head speed is a bit more in normal like this, but what is the driving rule of thumb here?

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03-09-2008 04:54 PM  10 years agoPost 2
Jeff polisena

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If you are flying 3D make all modes 0 Deg at 1/2 stick you will get a better transition and mechanical setup

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03-09-2008 04:55 PM  10 years agoPost 3
george0079

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I always set my helis up at 0 deg mid stick in all flight modes. I just makes sense.

Hell... I can fix that.
Uh oh..
Nope.
It's ***ked!!!
RE-KIT!!!!!

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03-09-2008 05:00 PM  10 years agoPost 4
pavan_mex

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Mike,

It depends if you are a beginner or a proficient flyer. Beginers usually have 5.5 degrees at 0 on the radio. This gives a wider range of positive throttle control. (Not more pitch, just the control range..read below to understand this)

A Raptor will hover at 5.5 degrees at around 1700 - 1800 rpm depending on weight and altitude.

The guys who have zero at zero will hover at 3/4 throttle and have only 1/4 throttle left to do all manouvers. This is where the fine throttle stick management comes into play.

So many years wasted on plankers...!!!!

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03-09-2008 05:01 PM  10 years agoPost 5
bstock

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I also like 0° at mid stick.

I didn't realize some manuals were calling for 5°. Where were you seeing that?

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03-09-2008 05:02 PM  10 years agoPost 6
Steff Giguere

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I don't agree with pavan_mex, I thing you should get used to 0 at midstick right off the bat. We have guys at our club who started with 4 or 5 at midstick and have to get used to a new machine when they improved and set 0 at midstick. Just my 2 cents worth.

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03-09-2008 05:04 PM  10 years agoPost 7
Thomas L Erb

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Mike it all depends on what type of flying you plan on doing. If you want to fly aggressive 3d then a -10,0,+10 setup is needed. If you plan on doing percision flying ( fai style) and normal aerobatics then a -6,+4, +11 setup will work fine. a 3d setup will give you hover at 3\4 stick with no percision, an fai setup will give you better stick resolution and a hover at 1\2 stick.It is tough to do both setups on the same heli. It can be done but some sacrafice will happen in one or both setups Both setups work great but it just depends on what type of flying you wish to do. Hope this helps Tom

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03-09-2008 05:04 PM  10 years agoPost 8
Invrted1

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Set all modes to 0 at mid stick. The only change you will see when changing modes should be a slight increase in headspeed when going into st1 or st2 from normal.

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03-09-2008 05:17 PM  10 years agoPost 9
pavan_mex

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I started out with 5.5 at zero. Because I had not heard about runryder at the time and thats what the Raptor manual said. Then I changed to zero/zero and to be honest, I did not even notice the change..I do have nimble finger control though which many people do not.

I fly at 100% atv and no exponential or dual rates.

But, I think it is still best for everyone to do their setups as they feel confident. No sense driving your heli in the ground

So many years wasted on plankers...!!!!

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03-09-2008 05:25 PM  10 years agoPost 10
hootowl

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I don't mind the jump. I like a broader pitch curve in normal. I set idle up at zero mid stick.

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03-09-2008 06:12 PM  10 years agoPost 11
Mike0251

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Thanks guys, you made my day. I fly mild 3d and like 0 at midstick too. Was some controversy in setting up a friends bird.

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03-09-2008 06:53 PM  10 years agoPost 12
Jeff polisena

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I did not even notice the change..
If you set up per manual you will later change if you get into 3D .Raptor pitch 10 to 10 if you hover at half stick you still have same range just instead of 10 to 10 you have 9 to 11 ,8 to 12 ,7 to 13 until you bind head so I would recommend setting up O deg at half stick that way you will always have head set up mechanically correct and do not need to re learn hover point at later date also you will need to make mini-mall adjustments in TX

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03-09-2008 08:09 PM  10 years agoPost 13
mcfast

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I DO NOT DO 3D, like most people, so I setup arould 5 degrees at
mid stick.

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03-09-2008 08:15 PM  10 years agoPost 14
AirWolfRC

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If you even think about idle-up, then you should be setting up with 0º at mid stick because idle-up invariably means 3D which means you want symmetrical collective + & -.

Upright hover at mid stick means that you will not be spending any time in 3D but hovering around with maybe a scale ship.

The Raptor manual recommending a setup for hover at mid stick is wrong in my view. The Raptor is not a hover & putter around heli, it's a very capable 3D machine.

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03-09-2008 08:26 PM  10 years agoPost 15
Four Stroker

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I thought FAI guys used idle-up.

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03-09-2008 08:28 PM  10 years agoPost 16
AirWolfRC

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What are you trying to say ?

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03-09-2008 08:31 PM  10 years agoPost 17
Four Stroker

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Idle-up preceeded the invention of 3D. I don't think idle-up invariably means 3D. Idle-up helps rolls a lot.

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03-09-2008 08:37 PM  10 years agoPost 18
AirWolfRC

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Maybe . . . . but these days, idle up invariably means 3D,
. . . . . and that's what I was talking about.

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03-09-2008 08:42 PM  10 years agoPost 19
Four Stroker

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Well I don't know about the UK, but here in the USA we have 18 guys who show up at the NATS every year and fly FAI.

AirWolf, have you been to this site: http://www.rchalloffame.org/

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03-09-2008 08:46 PM  10 years agoPost 20
Jeff polisena

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FAI,F3C,Sport,Free style are different but all can 3D with different technical skills

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