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03-09-2008 01:57 AM  10 years agoPost 1
ut_neon

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Coimbra, Portugal

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Actually I have 2 esky Helicopter:

Belt CP and Honey Bee King 2.

Right now the Honey Bee King 2 is all stock body with esky servos but i upgraded to the 43T Pulley and GY240. The Head is the Belt CP Stock plastic head with the ball links.

Belt CP currently has Trex 450 Wooden 315 main blades, GY 401 and Tail Gear box plus servo mounts and Horizontal fin set are aluminium CNC parts.

I suffered from some crashes while learning, cause i got too excited since it was the first time for me in the RC hobby, yes i never had any RC Toy before , so with that excitement i crashed 4 times total. 2 with belt cp and 2 with honey bee king 2. 2 of them because of bad setup of the tail and the other 2 just because of inexperience.

That was enough for me and i'm having fun flying in more controlled, like scale flight and slow flight while learning all 4 orientations. I've "mastered" Both Side in and Tail In orientations, I'm working right now in nose in with the Honey Bee King 2. I tried nose in for 10 seconds +- 3 times now and no crash yet, but i still have to be extra concentrated or else i will crash for sure xp.

As everybody knows the plastic has it disavantages like, they can be flexible with the temperature change, the tail boom after some flights will get loosen and the tail starts losing authority... (i crashed one of the times with the HBK2 because of that problem). So the real question for this topic starts now.

With these current configurations what do you think i should do? I have here the complete Head Set of the purple stuff but i didn't have the corage to move it yet to Belt CP, also i know that with the carbon frame i will not have as much problems as i have with the plastic with the tail getting loose too fastly, but how flexible is this upgrade change? like, i will do my best not to crash or so, but if i crash the Belt CP Metal Parts will get damaged? The Carbon Frame will break? i will say in a normal crash, not a hard crash or inverted crash...

also for the king should i do the same or leave it at plastic?

Also i don't want to go for any other different helicopter cause i have whole sale prices for all esky products so they're really "cheap" for me compared to a Trex 450 or Minititan.

I will wait for your reply and think about this in the next days=)

Thank You

Paulo Carvalho

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03-09-2008 03:03 AM  10 years agoPost 2
Sgt Heli

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Well, Im kinda where you are with the flying skill level. As long as I have anything but nose in I think I can get it back down ok. I have the purple upgrades for my king but I just cannot put it on yet. The plastic parts are cheap enough to replace now and then after a mishap. The purple stuff will have to wait until I can fly many times without a crash. I think you should fly with cheap parts until you feel comfortable with your skill level.

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03-09-2008 03:17 AM  10 years agoPost 3
L8ASUSL

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It all depends on how deep your pockets are.
My name is Kevin and i'm an addict

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03-09-2008 03:42 AM  10 years agoPost 4
Gyronut

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Martinsville In.

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If your still worring about crashing then leave things as they are.

Yes the metal stuff sure looks nice and it is better than the plastic parts but when you crash iit then something has to bend or break somewhere.

Give yourself some time, you'll get there.

Rick

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03-09-2008 03:45 AM  10 years agoPost 5
fenderstrat

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just burn more batteries

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03-09-2008 07:03 AM  10 years agoPost 6
Gregor99

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As I read the opening post I can't help but get the feeling you are looking for the next upgrade, for the next step in equipment. I’ve said this once before and I think it bears repeating. A friend of mine is fond of saying "The solution should have something to do with the problem". I currently have a full CNC HBK2 and every part was installed to SOLVE a problem. I could go through the list of issues I've had and how each part solved the problem but that is already well documented in older posts. When thinking about upgrades I focus on will make my heli more reliable, more serviceable and generally more available for me to fly.

Maybe the next step isn't a new part but a new perspective. When you first started flying you didn't know this hobby like you do now. You didn't know your capabilities and limitations. Now that you have had some time to fly, to crash, to repair and to contemplate, it looks different than it did when you were dipping a toe in. For me, I started with the despicable Blade CP to see if it was something I'd be interested in. I've learned allot since last September and more clearly see were I'm going with this hobby. My path became crystal clear when I visited a local field last fall. There were a number of pilots . Some just hovered, some just bangin the sticks some crashed. But there was one guy, Chris Bloom, flying a Synery9. A massive 90 series with 5 foot blades. The heli’s size and sound was impressive, but they way Chris handled it was heart stopping. No crazy 3d. No grass trimming inverted hovering. But every move was obviously intended. Every move was perfect, smooth and usually massive. Huge loops, high speed banked turns s that took the length of the field and kept going. Rolls that perfectly pivoted around the nose of the heli. Capped off by an auto that landed softly at his feet. Yes, by some standards, very simple moves, but executed with perfect accuracy. But there was more. Something I wasn’t expecting. Chris flew with a passion and intensity that is more art than performance. You couldn’t help but get caught up in it, adrenaline rising with every daring move. A master at work at the craft he loves. I will never forget the impression it left on me.

Every choice I make now is support of the longer term view. I'm taking the time to "master" basics knowing there’s plenty of time for the other stuff later. I’ll put my time in now and do it right as I progress. So that one day I might be able to express my love for flying as well as Chris did that day.

My approach to upgrades as well as servicing the heli is based on what will give me the most educational value. I'm laying the foundation, learning everything I can about setup as well as troubleshooting. At times it probably looks like I'm "plagued" with issues. Truth be told, I'm looking for them. Don't get me wrong, I'm not creating my own problems, but I am searching out every issue with my bird and learning as much as a can. Again this is laying the foundation, putting in the time early on (during winter) so the HBK2 as well as my setup skills are rock solid when the outdoor flying season gets going. But it’s not just about this season. It’s about the next 20 to 40 seasons.

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03-09-2008 07:16 AM  10 years agoPost 7
TJinGuy

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I am glad that I have had such good luck with setup and such. I have not yet nor do I foresee the need/want of anything CNC on my King. The plastic parts work really well. I plan to just keep a couple extras around and change them out as they wear or break. I feel the same way with CF blades and CF chassis. They are nice but only for a truly skilled pilot, who needs that little something extra. Everyone else just needs to learn how to setup and maintain their heli and the plastic parts will do well.

Wow that kinda turned into a rant. Sorry

- Chris

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03-09-2008 12:04 PM  10 years agoPost 8
DougsRC

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Gregors, Great reply even without pictures I agree with Fender and gyronut, stick with the plastic for awhile and focus on becoming a better pilot. You have really come along way in a short period of time but maybe its time to take a deep breath and relax a smidgeon.
You seem to really like the Belt-CP better than the King so fly the Belt-CP more and relax and enjoy. Keep flying and become "one with the Heli" you really don't "NEED" any upgrades. Just my 2 cents worth -Ut_neon.

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03-09-2008 03:18 PM  10 years agoPost 9
ut_neon

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Thank you for your replies=) i guess i will be flying with the current setup i have right now. I have the tail box with Metal but i guess that if i crash i won't be breaking it now. My goal is to fly without crashing it for a long time.

Well about what Dougsrc said, i understand what he's talking about, it's something that you see and it's beautiful. I can talk about this video i will show you in full 3D. Alan Szabo may be the master and the best pilot ever, but this guy makes the 3D more beautiful than Alan do. He do it like a dance, you will love it=)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToCxGXyA0hk

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03-09-2008 03:27 PM  10 years agoPost 10
DougsRC

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That was incredible neon The mini-titan is definately a capable machine. Great Pilot

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03-09-2008 03:34 PM  10 years agoPost 11
fenderstrat

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yeah...GO MINI....great pilot....looked to me like a stock PLASTIC MINI......buy batteries not bling

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03-09-2008 03:37 PM  10 years agoPost 12
DougsRC

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Buy batteries -- not bling !! Quit crying and start flying !! Good slogans Fender !! We should make some T-shirts or bumper stickers

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03-09-2008 03:43 PM  10 years agoPost 13
TJinGuy

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Socorro, NM - USA

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I just don't have the ability to fly at night but I wish I did because the wind almost always dies here at sunset.

- Chris

Team New Mexico
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03-09-2008 03:44 PM  10 years agoPost 14
tryan02

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Canton, Missouri

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How about

Its 9PM the street lights are on.
Do you know what orientation your in.

I would say that guy probably practiced a few more orientations than the four most of us practice.

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03-09-2008 03:50 PM  10 years agoPost 15
ut_neon

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Coimbra, Portugal

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i guess all stock plastic will be capable of doing that... the secret it's on the motor for a good starting. have you ever thinked what would happen if you throwed in the new trex450 motor of the mini titan motor on a belt cp or hbk2 they would turn like a monster

batteries would last less tough =(

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03-09-2008 04:14 PM  10 years agoPost 16
tryan02

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Canton, Missouri

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already been done ut I believe its a jgf400 4400rpm used on the king2 the TREX is only a 400size 3550rpm.

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03-09-2008 04:17 PM  10 years agoPost 17
DougsRC

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The REAL secret is the Pilot- neon !!

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03-09-2008 04:46 PM  10 years agoPost 18
ut_neon

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Coimbra, Portugal

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i know but these motors seem to have more power anyone know why the mini titan has holes in the main blades!?

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03-09-2008 05:00 PM  10 years agoPost 19
fenderstrat

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Aston,Pa

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its supposed to save weight...the holes have clear shrink wrap on them....not many people fly with the stock TT woodies though...they eat amps...the align pro woodies work great and are cheap and everywhere

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03-09-2008 05:29 PM  10 years agoPost 20
TJinGuy

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The stock Mini blades are heavy. They feel nearly twice as heavy as a set of Align Pro woodies. But they look really cool with the holes

- Chris

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